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Newsletter Number 4, March 20, 2002
Celebrating Five Years Of Service
To Our Collector Friends! copyright 2001 All rights reserved
Springfield will be offering personal tours of the second floor
collections area later this year. This houses the second largest gun collection
in the world (Royal Armories at Leeds, England is larger, but they had
a 100 year head start). All the great experimental models you see in the
reference books are stored there, along with untold other treasures. Visits
to the second floor require 30 days advance notice and $12 per person fee
for a one hour session. Arrangements can also be made for small groups.
Call the museum at (413) 734-8551 x236 to make reservations. Springfield
will also put out a special exhibit on the M1903 rifle for its 100th anniversary
in 2003. This might be a nice theme for other collectors, even though none
of us own the single 1901 prototype, nor M1903 rifle serial number 1 like
As usual we keep finding more neat stuff for your collections.
Some of it gets snapped up as soon as it hits the catalog page. Other
times we have some great items that have been out for a while but are still
awaiting discovery by a tasteful shopper. John has been lusting after
some goodies and is digging through his personal collection to find a few
items that he is willing to put up for adoption. He put out a couple
of items already and is still digging, so keep checking. We have
recently listed most of the items from two large collections. We
keep getting more consignment items in- some very nice pieces, and some
lower price items for the beginner or less fanatical enthusiast.
We are adding a number of new militaria items, several collectible handguns,
and more edged weapons. We also found a few more heavy ordnance items
(inert of course) and some good collector ammunition. We have a nice
collection coming in from Nebraska but it may take a while before it appears
on the catalog pages.
As usual, a thoroughly outstanding show with loads of great
temptations for collectors at all levels, and in all fields (except post
1898 handguns which are not even allowed in the building).
Great displays included: Confederate Bayonets, Model 1836 Pistol Variations,
Arms of the Boer War, Springfield Armory Model 1860 Staff & Field Officers
Sword (12 variations); The Beginning of Long Range sights on U.S. Rifles
[1841-1855]; Civil War Cannons, Kodak Moments [Old “boys’ Rifles with photos
of kids using them]; a documented Revolutionary War Virginia musket; a
spectacular engraved and inlaid presentation Model 1895 Winchester; pre-Civil
War Navy arms and equipment; Civil War Bayonet Scabbards; and others.
The NRA, Springfield Armory, Harpers Ferry and USS Constellation museums
all had exhibits and friendly people from their staffs to answer questions.
Goodies offered by dealers included a gas trap Garand (serial number
in the 300 range); a lot of Krag carbines (some real, some cutdowns, and
not always noted as such); one of the 476 Krags made in .22 caliber; two
of the 183 “Long Range Model trapdoors made (and reportedly a third, although
I did not see it), two “Metcalf” trapdoors; and five of the 1,000 “Lindsay
Double Muskets” made in 1863. Several M1903A4s with prices continuing
to climb, and Civil War rifles, carbines and pistols by the score.
Lots of great collector ammo (both singles and boxes); and two dealers
with heavy ordnance items (including the world’s foremost expert, Dr. John
Crittenden-Schmidt). Great parts dealers including S&S Firearms,
Bill Ricca, Tom Mulligan, and Antique Gun Parts. Bayonet specialists
Homer Brett, Roy Anderson, Jason Kaplan, Stan Tranquillo, and Al Siebel
had just about anything you would ever want. Rutgers Book Center
had their usual huge inventory of gun books, and Dunlap Woodcarving had
their superb line of repro stock for everything from the Brown Bess to
the M1903 rifles.
Unlike the customary gun show swill or overpriced hot dogs, this show
features outstanding food. Crab cakes made by people who know how
to do it right were John’s favorite.
The annual meeting of the Society of American Bayonet Collectors held
Saturday night was another fun event, highlighted by a “show and tell”
session. Special treats were the rare Krag bayonets (one of 150 Bolos,
one of the Bowies and one of the blade types for the 26” Board of Ordnance
and Fortification rifles); a sampling of bayonets for double barrel guns
(foreign and US circa 1750 to 1945); and an amazing 20 different foreign
bayonets made for the M1 Garand. And there were some Australian variations
of the M9 bayonet- including a version made as an EOD “knife” so they can
keep it with them instead of having to lock it up in the armory, as required
for all “bayonets”, proving that the Oz Army is not immune to the arms
phobia epidemic in their civilian population. John is the Secretary
and will soon be webmaster for the SABC, and invites you to join now so
you can attend next year’s meeting. See http://www.amerbayo.org for more
You gotta plan now to go to the Baltimore show next year, March 15-16,
2003. Forget about getting a table, but it is worth the trip anyway.
NON-CORROSIVE PRIMERS IN U.S. MILITARY AMMUNITION
STARTED WITH THESE LOTS/DATES (Reference TM9-1305 - 20 June 1961)
People who shoot U.S. military surplus ammunition need to know
what ammunition has corrosive primers, and which lots have non-corrosive
(styphanate in military terminology). While it can be great fun and
very educational to shoot your old rifles or pistols, most people are used
to modern non-corrosive primers and are not in any hurry to clean their
guns. Older shooters remember that if a gun fired with corrosive
primers is not cleaned within a few hours of use, with appropriate bore
cleaners (the smelly GI surplus stuff is the best) the bore will begin
to rust. Within a day or two it will have pitting, and if left uncleaned
for a week or two, it will be left thoroughly rusted and seriously reduce
the value of the gun. The following table cam help prevent making
a serious mistake.
Note that if the lot number (printed on the box/bandoleer) is
not known, then the year of manufacture can be determined from the headstamp.
Ammunition should not be considered non-corrosive unless it has a year
later than the transition date. Example- .30-06 ball with FA headstamp
FA 51 might be either corrosive or non-corrosive since the table shows
that the transition was in October 1951. FA 52 or later can be assumed
to be non-corrosive. Of course, Armor Piercing, Tracer, API, or Blank
would different transition dates in the table below.
Table III. Styphnate [non-corrosive]Primed Small-Arms Ammunition Initial
and lot data
(1) Odd lots assembled with P-4 or styphnate, primers since l947.
(2) Steel cased lots S-22000-22007 also w/styphnate.
(1) All caliber .30 carbine lots contain azide or styphnate primers.
(2) All 7.62 millimeters and caliber .50 spotter-tracer cartridges
contain styphnate or non-corrosive primers
(3) US Military suppliers of .30-06 ammunition not listed here never
used non-corrosive primers.
Examples- DEN, DM, EC, EW, NC, PCC, U, UMC, USSCO, UT]
(Note: Darwin Awards are earned by those who
remove themselves from the gene pool by extraordinarily stupid actions,
demonstrating the survival of the fittest members of a species.)
Used courtesy of http://www.darwinawards.com
2001 Darwin Award Nominee Confirmed True by Darwin
(15 April 2001, Tennessee) The day before the US tax filing deadline,
a Memphis Darwin Award winner trying to beat a train drove around the crossing
gates -- only to be struck by an oncoming vehicle whose driver had the
same mad plan. The occupants of one vehicle were killed, making this monumental
stupidity the first instance we have witnessed of a Darwin Award winner
crashing into an Honorable Mention. The accident happened to one side of
the tracks, so the train passed by unimpeded.
Main Area of Interest: Anything Remington, but mainly firearms.
Geographic area of members: International.
Publications: Remington Society of America Journal,
quarterly, 40+ pp 8 ½ x 11 with many photos, detailed drawings,
old catalog illustrations, etc; question and answer column. Some color;
a high quality publication worth saving as a permanent reference.
Meetings: Several events, including meetings in conjunction with
the winter Las Vegas gun show, and occasional meetings at Remington facilities
with special access to archives and other facilities.
Prominent Members: Noted author Roy Marcot is the Journal
editor and webmaster, and most other advanced Remington collectors.
Who should belong: Anyone interested in Remingtons.
My observations/comments/recommendations: Until Roy Marcot’s book
appeared there was a serious lack of comprehensive information on Remingtons.
Subsequently this is an increasingly popular field, with a wide variety
of collecting options and prices far below the levels of Winchesters or
Colts of similar vintages. RSA interests are balanced between military,
small bore, cartridge, and percussion eras, along with the knife collectors,
cartridge collectors, etc. They are well organized and have an increasingly
professional approach in the last few years. RSA was responsible
for an unprecedented feature exhibit at the Cody Firearms Museum in 1997
with one of every model made by Remington, drawn largely from member’s
collections and several museums. This is a good group and a valuable
source of information.
Membership Applications: Submit application available from
Note: John Spangler is a member and will be
happy to sponsor new members.