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# 15707 - SAVAGE MODEL 3C .22 BOLT ACTION RIFLE
1/16/2018
Devin, Columbus, Ohio

Savage - 3c - 22 Short 22 Long - 26'' - Don`t Know - N/A BEFORE SERIAL NUMBER TRACKING

I have a 1930s savage model 3c 22 rifle. I`m wondering is there a way to remove the iron sights? I`m wanting to also add a scope is this possible? I`d like to know if I have replacement barrel options. I cannot find allot of general info on these guns. Thank you for your time.

Answer:
Devin- To be honest, I knew nothing about this model, and had to do some research. Fortunately, someone else cares about these, and has a ton of great information on them at: https://www.gunvaluesboard.com/the-savage-model-3-.22-rf-single-shot-rifle-798.html It would be easy to cut and paste all their info here, but they deserve credit for their work, and traffic to their site, so we are glad to link to it.

As far as adding a scope, sure, that is possible, and any decent gunsmith can drill and tap and add bases for a scope, or a side mount. There may be problems with bolt handle clearance, so he might have to modify the bolt handle. Frankly, adding a scope would destroy whatever modest collector value it might have, and cost a lot more than the finished product would be worth. If you want a scoped .22 go out and get a Ruger 10/22 or one of the current crop of .22 rifles from many makers which are a lot better guns, and still pretty fairly priced, especially if you are willing to get a previously owned example.

As for replacing the barrel, that is technically possible, but since replacement barrels are not really available, you would have to have a gunsmith remove the old barrel and then thread a new barrel (or one salvaged from just about any .22 rifle) to fit your receiver, and chamber it. Again, technically possible, but the cost would be far more than just buying a new rifle.

If this gun has sentimental value, keep it and shoot it as is and pass it down to the next generation. If no sentimental value, see if a dealer will allow you anything on a trade in, and if the answer is any number over $35 I would do it. John Spangler


# 15742 - Model 70 DOM
1/16/2018
Maryland

Winchester - 70 - 300 H & Happy Mag - 26in - Blue - 247121 -

Is this rifle pre 1964 thanks for the information

Answer:
The year of manufacture for your Winchester Model 70 serial number 247121 is 1953. The Model 70 was first approved for sales by Winchester on 29th December 1934 and the first rifles were delivered into store in the autumn of 1936. Many people consider the pre-64 Winchester Model 70 to be the best bolt action sporting rifle ever manufactured. Unfortunately, Winchester was purchased by the Olin corporation in 1961 and work began to modernize the Model 70 to simplify production. It is my opinion that Olin's "modernization" of the Model 70 resulted in a product that was vastly inferior in quality, design and workmanship to the older versions. Olin sold Winchester's operations to the U.S. Repeating Arms Company in 1981. U.S. Repeating Arms re- introduced the pre-64 Model 70 design in 1997 as the Classic Model 70. I am impressed with the new Classic Model 70 rifles, I believe that they are as good as the pre-64 rifles or maybe even a little bit better because of the modern steel used in their construction. Marc


# 15741 - CZ Model 27
1/12/2018
Cortez Atlanta Ga

Cz27 - 32 - Don`t Know - 380436 -

Iron eagle holding the swastika How do I find out the origin and history of my ww2 fnh pistole model 27

Answer:
Cortez, the Czechoslovakian Model 1927 is not a rare pistol, but I consider an example with German markings to be an essential part of any German WWII handgun collection. The CZ Mod. 1927 pistol was adopted by Czechoslovakian armed forces in 1927 and remained in production under the German occupation until 1945, then after the war into the 1950s. Pistols manufactured under German occupation after June 1941 are marked "fnh" "Pistole Modell 27 Kal. 7.65". "fnh" was the WW-II German ordnance code assigned to Bohmische Waffenfabrik, Strkonitz plant, Prague, Czechoslovakia in June, 1941. It is reported that serial numbers under German occupation were re-started at 1 and went up to over 475,000. Your serial number should be located on the top of the slide just forward of the rear sight and beneath the barrel one inch from the muzzle. It may or may not be located on the upper left side of the frame above the safety lever. Military acceptance stamp (eagle over "WaA76") should be stamped on the upper right side of the frame above the grip and beneath the barrel just forward of the locking lugs (on some pistols it is located on the top of the slide just forward of the serial number). The military test proof (eagle over swastika in a circle) should be stamped on the right side of the chamber (barrel) or on the top of the slide just forward of the serial number. There is no source that I know of that would provide information on the history of individual WWII CZ pistols. Marc


# 15706 - M1 GARAND- ARLINGTON ORDNANCE 7.62mm BARREL
1/12/2018
Bill, Las Cruces, NM

Springfield Armory - M1 Garand - 7.62 NATO - Blue - 3793380 -

Barrel Marked: Arlington ORD VA 762 NATO My research so far indicates it is a Korean Surplus imported by Arlington Ordnance. Arlington installed a 762 Nato barrel. The barrel marks are very clear and appropriately deep. I read the history of Arlington Ordnance and noted they produced some bad barrels with a pink hue, sprayed on Parkerizing. These barrels had faint, shallow markings. They also produced very high quality 762 conversion barrels for the Garand, I am hoping you can give me some info on this one.

Answer:
Bill- Sorry, we cannot help on that one. I have never heard of any Arlington Ordnance imported Garands with 7.62mm barrels. The best thing to do would be check over on the Garand Collectors Association page or one of the forums like the CMP page or Jouster (http://www.jouster2.com/forums/forum.php).

I am familiar with the U.S. Navy conversions to 7.62mm, but this sounds like something entirely different, unless somehow some of the USN rifles ended up as South Korean surplus after going over with some old ships we transferred to them. John Spangler


# 15737 - Winchester 670 A Information
1/9/2018
Anthony Edison N.J.

Winchester - 670a - 30.06 - 22'' - Blue - G186092 -

beautiful gun would love to know specific year?

Answer:
Anthony, the Winchester Model 670 is an economy version of the popular model 70 that came with a hardwood pistol grip stock, 22 inch barrel, open sights and a non-hinged floorplate. Although it is a decent rifle for shooting and hunting purposes, the Model 670 never caught on with collectors like the Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters did. The 670 was first cataloged for sale in 1967 and remained in production until 1973. Total manufacture is estimated to be under 300,000 total rifles. Information pertaining to the production runs for the 670 is at best speculative, as Winchester either did not maintain a serial number data base, or what data was retained has been lost or destroyed. Because of this, there is no way to know precisely when your rifle was produced. Marc


# 15704 - M1 CARBINE
1/9/2018
Brendan Andrews - Lenoir - North Carolina - USA

U.S. Carbine - U.S.A. Issued - .30 Cal - N/A484 - Other - 4849204 -

Strange engraving in side of stock that reads: A O T What does this engraving mean? It also has the original M8A1 bayonet attached to the end, and it fires flawlessly. Original clip also. What is a good price range for value? Don`t really want to sell it. Just would like to know it`s worth. Really curious about the engraving though.

Answer:
Brendan- Based on the serial number your M1 Carbine was made by Quality Hardware & Machine Co. between September 1943 and May 1944. The AOT marking may be from an ordnance overhaul sometime, but it is not an abbreviation I recognize. Maybe related to Anniston, but maybe not. Assuming everything is original U.S. military with no ugly import marks on the barrel, even if the parts are a “mixmaster” from various makers I would think that the value as a shooter is at least $500 and if really nice and the AOT marks are legitimate, not Bubba’s initials, maybe even double that. The M1 carbines are really fun shooters, so enjoy. John Spangler


# 15703 - CHARLEVILLE MODEL 1777 FLINTLOCK MUSKET
1/6/2018
Jackson

Contract Charleville - 1777 - .69 - Other -

It has several proof markings that are not consistent with french armories. The musket is an original 1777 style charleville, only it does not bare the lock or barrel markings of a french musket. This leads me to believe that it was a contract musket, and I am hoping that perhaps you guys could tell me more about it and perhaps it`s value. I can send pictures pending a reply to this question.

Answer:
Jackson- The French arms were pretty much the trend setters for the 18th century small arms fashions, and virtually identical copies were made in many other countries, sometimes on contract from France when they needed more arms than they could produce domestically for their own troops, or other times to arm allies or colonies. Then, many other countries made them for their own use or export. Indeed, the first U.S. military arms made by Springfield, Harpers Ferry and contractors were basically copies of the French muskets, with the final product varying somewhat based on exactly which of the French models was provided as a pattern, there being no blueprints or other specific standards at the time. In the U.S., in addition to federal contracts, several states also purchased copies of Charlevilles. In addition, it was very common, especially in the post-Revolutionary War period, for militia (and even federal army) muskets to be repaired or assembled using a mix of salvaged parts from various models and makers.

To be honest, except for those which conform exactly to known makers and specific model designations, identifying exactly when and where these “French style” muskets were made, and by whom, is extremely difficult. Arms historian and author George Moller has probably done the best job in his outstanding “American Military Shoulder Arms” which exhaustively covers regular army and militia longarms from the colonial period through the Civil War (with another volume or two in the works to get into the late 19th century at least). You would need to read through Volumes 1 and 2 very carefully to see if you can find anything that matches, as Moller covers both imported arms and those made in the U.S. There is a relatively new book, “French Military Small Arms: Volume 1- Flintlock Longarms” by Didier Bianchi, published by Mowbray Publishing which goes into great detail on the French arsenal system and its products. It takes about 26 pages to go through the Model 1777 family of arms, and this might be your best starting point to see if it matches any of the French official patterns, before heading off to the colonies and America to look for copies.

Values are all over the place on flintlock longarms, varying too much for me to make a guess as to value. You can review recent prices on some of the auction houses which sell these to get a better feel, but the on-line auctions (GunBroker.com, etc) seldom get any good antiques like these.

Hope that helps. John Spangler


# 15736 - Remington Model 6 Date Of Manufacture
1/6/2018
Richard East Greenwich, Rhode Island

Remington - Model 6 - .22 - 20 Inch - Blue - 17994A -

Has the letter GI stamped on bottom of barrel. Can only be seen when barrel is removed from receiver. Date of manufacturer if possible.

Answer:
Richard, Remington introduced the Model 6 in 1902 and total production was at least 250,000 before ending in 1933. These were "Boys' rifles" intended for youngsters to engage in recreational shooting in woods, or hunting, or at target ranges. The rifles were made in .22 rimfire (short, long, long rifle) and also in .32 rimfire (short or long). A few were made with smooth bores for shooting shot cartridges. It is amazing to consider that prior to WW2, nearly every boy had one or more guns while growing up.

Starting in 1921 Remington rifles should have a code located on the left side of the barrel near the frame that identifies the year and month of manufacture. The following letters correspond to the months of the year, for example B=January, L= February and so on [ B - L - A - C - K - P - O - W - D - E - R - X ]. The following letters correspond to the year of manufacture starting in 1921 and ending in 1972. [ M - N - P - R - S - T - U - W - X - Y - Z - A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - J - K - L - MM - NN - PP - RR - SS - TT - UU - WW - XX - YY - ZZ - A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - J - K -L - M - N - P - R - S - T - U - W ].

Since neither the letter ``G`` nor the letter ``I`` are included in the Remington year and date codes, the code that you gave me could not be a date code. With that in mind, if your rifle does not have the date code, the best that I can tell you is that it was probably manufactured before 1921. Marc


# 15718 - Buccaneer Revolver
1/2/2018
Dena, Woodstock, Ohio

Hy Hunter - Buccaneer Model - Don't Know -

Hy Hunter Made in Germany Hollywood, CA Buccaneer Model What can you tell me about this gun? I was given 2 of these in very good shape from an elderly man I use to work for. I can't find out any information on this particular model. Anything or any links would be helpful, please dena6559@hotmail.com

Answer:
Dena, Hy Hunter Firearms Company, Inc. had offices in Hollywood and Burbank, California. During the 1960s. The company imported and distributed a wide variety of inexpensive West German manufactured firearms including the Frontier Six Shooter, Western style single-action revolvers manufactured by Rohm, the Detective and Chicago Cub, several other models of low quality West German .22 pocket revolvers, and the Maxim, Militar, Panzer, Stingray, and Stuka pistols, also manufactured by Rohm. There is little or no interest in this type of firearm, values usually fall in the $100 or less range. Marc


# 15701 - .45-70 SHOTGUN
1/2/2018
Jamie , California, Mo

???? - ??? - 45/70 Shot - Blue - 872950 -

Says 45/70 shot on the top of barrel This is a single shot break barrel ''shotgun'' what could it be ??? Makers marks are all worn off. Appears very old maybe pre 1900`s

Answer:

Jamie-  That is an odd one.  The lack of maker markings makes it especially difficult to help much.  The lack of barrel length also limits our ability to guess much.
Here are some thoughts, none of which are guaranteed to be helpful.
-- It was made before the .410 shotshell came out (or after) and was chambered for .45-70 loaded with shot (usually in a hollow wooden bullet).
-- It was made as a line throwing gun (which usually had a very short barrel) and someone added “SHOT” to the markings.
-- The presence of a serial number suggests it is not one of the really junky shotguns, which generally were not numbered (not required to until 1968).
-- I don’t know.
John Spangler


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