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# 15146 - Italian Carcano Made At Gardone
8/29/2015
Steve

When my father passed away I found a rifle he "got" in Scily on or around 7/10/43. The only markings I can find on it arenear the breach that say "Sardone VII, 942-XX, and SC7677 below this is says CG7 but I'm not sure about the "C". It's pretty worn. It also says CAL 6.5. It has a built in bayonet and 7677 stamped onto the wood stock near the but.

There are no other markings that I can find.

Do you know where i can find out anything about this weapon? My dad was sure proud of it as he drove landing boats in the invasion. Thanks, Steve

Answer:
Steve- Your rifle is one of the Italian Mannlicher Carcano 6.5mm carbines, probably a Model 1938. It was made in Gardone, Italy, in 1942. Despite the story, I doubt if it was a wartime capture as the 6.5mm marking is one required on imported arms, and if it is marked “CAI” instead of “CAL” then it was imported into the U.S. by Century Arms International of St. Albans, VT.

These are pretty common and values seem to run around $150 or so when I see them at gun shows. John Spangler


# 15218 - DSM 34 Trainer
8/29/2015
Ron, Oklahoma City, OK

Gecado - Trainer - 22LR - 24'' - Blue - None, that I can find -

When was this made? Is post WW I. It strongly resembles a DSM34, same type of sights, swivels single shot. Is there any source of parts? It is missing the front portion of the bolt. Thank you.

Answer:
Ron, I think the maker may be GECO, rather than Gecado. If the rifle is in the DSM 34 configuration it will look and feel much like a Kar 98. The rifle was made for private sale to teach German children marksmanship and the handling of a military style rifle. The German government, under Hitler, was requiring all youth to learn to shoot, and these rifles were made to meat that requirement.

For parts, try Jack First. I believe their catalog is now on line. You could also visit some of the military collectors blogs and Gun Boards, and see if any of the regulars have sources for rare parts for German rifles. Marc


# 15145 - .50 Caliber Machine Gun Cases On The Beach
8/25/2015

I keep finding 50 caliber 1944 Bullet casings on Bradenton Beach, Florida are they valuable?

Answer:
Sir- While these are interesting souvenirs, they have very little, if any, cash value, other than as scrap metal. Maybe a dollar or two as a curiosity.

With 1944 dates, they could have been fired any time after that, well into the 1970s. .50 caliber machine guns were used on many different types of aircraft, Navy ships, Coast Guard boats, and by Army and Marine ground forces mounted in tanks or other vehicles or on ground mounts. Wave action or beach replenishment or hurricanes could move fired cases great distances from where they were fired. Or, training may have taken place directly on, or slightly offshore where they were found. Hope that helps. John Spangler


# 15219 - Remington Model 14 In 44-40
8/25/2015
andrew , orillia,ontario, canada

Remington - 14 ? - 44-40 - Blue - C 33989 -

Hi my grandfather gave me a Remington pump action 44-40, I so far have found out that it is a model 14 1/2? I`m just looking for some info on this gun. I know it is quite old and is in better shape then most guns that are only 10 years old. he got it from his grand father and has looked after it like a baby ever since he has had it, it has not been shot in at least 25 years since I was a kid just regularly cleaned and looked at then stored in a gun safe. I would just like to find out some info about it and what possible year it is? the only numbers or letter on it is C33989 on the bottom side of the receiver. the barrel has no letter or numbers just wrighting that says , pedersens pat. Oct.12,09 July05,10. Nov. 19,12. as well as trade mark Remington

Answer:
andrew, the Model 14 sporting rifle was manufactured by the Remington Arms Company, Ilion, New York from 1912 to 1936, it was an enlargement of the .22 caliber Model 12 tipping-bolt action designed to handle centerfire ammunition. The l4 was the first truly successful slide-action center fire sporting rifle, it was capable of handling regular and high-speed ammunition, and had a special spiral magazine that was used to prevent cartridge noses igniting the primer ahead of them. Standard rifles were equipped with a straight-wrist butt, ribbed slide handle, round barrel, 5 round tubular magazine, and a spring-leaf and elevator rear sight. Optional extras included half pistol grip butt stocks and differing finishes.

There should be a two or three letter code on the left side of your barrel that will give you the month and year of manufacture. The first letter identifies the month, the other letter(s) identify the year. There is a link on the OldGuns.net menu bar to a website that will give you the date if you enter your code.

Collector interest in Remington Model 14 rifles is low, blue book values range from $100.00 to $300.00 depending upon condition, Marc


# 15198 - S&W Model 60
8/22/2015
Scott - Gordo, Alabama 35466

Smith & Wesson - 60 - .38spl - 2'' - Stainless Steel - CCA0662 -

What year was it made and app. What is it`s value. It is at least 95%

Answer:
Scott, the Model 60 was first introduced in 1965, and my records indicate that serial numbers starting with CCA were manufactured in the August - October time frame of 1997. The S&W Model 60 holds the distinction of being the first regular production all stainless steel revolver ever made. When first introduced, the little revolver was so popular that there was a waiting list at gun shops of up to six months to purchase one. At that time the Model 60 featured a 1.875" barrel and was chambered solely for the .38 Special. In 1996, the stronger J-Magnum frame was introduced and the cylinder was lengthened to support .38 Special and .357 Magnum. The new model replaced the .38 Special-only version and is available in either a 2.125" or a 3" barrel, with a 5" barrel introduced in 2005.

The blue book lists the following values for Model 60 revolvers:

100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$550 $450 $400 $350 $200 $150 $120

The last MSR was $458.
Subtract $25 for 2 in. barrel.
Add 50% for early Model 60s without letter prefix and bright satin finish.
The full lug barrel option began in 1990 with limited mfg. It had been tested for +P ammo and features an adj. rear sight - 24 1/2 oz.

Hope that this helps. Marc


# 15144 - Source For Oddball 10.4 X 47mmR Ammunition
8/22/2015
James

Hello, I am looking for german 10.4 x 47r for my drilling. Would you have such or know where i may find this caliber? Seems to be very difficult to locate. Thanks a lot. James

Answer:
James- Sorry, we cannot help much with that one. I assume this is the same as the Italian 10.4 x47mm cartridge.

One of the threads below mentions that Gad had ammo, but I don't know how old that info might be. You will probably be stuck with reloading.

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=262204

http://gadcustomcartridges.com/

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?5012-RELOAD-10-35x47-R-for-Vetterli-Vitali

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?250809-Loading-the-Vetterli-10-4-x-47r

Dealers in collector cartridges may have a few rounds for display. http://www.ammo-one.com/

Good luck! John Spangler


# 15215 - Win 670
8/18/2015
Paul

Winchester - 670 - 308 - 22 Inches - Blue - 117119 -

When was thus gun manufactured. I`m looking for a front sight blade

Answer:
Paul, the Winchester Model 670 is an economy version of the popular model 70. The Model 670 was manufactured between 1967 and 1973 and came with a hardwood pistol grip stock, 22 inch barrel, open sights and a non-hinged floorplate. Although it is a decent rifle for shooting and hunting purposes, the Model 670 never caught on with collectors like the Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters did. Values for 670 rifles are not high even if the rifle is in excellent condition.

For the date of manufacture of your rifle, follow the link on our menu on the left hand side of the page. For parts, check with Gun Parts Corp (the old Numrich Arms people) at the following URL:

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

Gun Parts Corp has just about everything. If that doesn't work, try posting it on our free "Wanted" page at the following URL:

http://oldguns.net/submitwn.htm

Hope this helps. Marc


# 15143 - Winchester Model 63 Engraved By Angelo Bee
8/18/2015
Tony

My Mom is 80 and my Dad is 85 and they both still work everyday on our farm. We ran a dairy farm for over 50 years but now raise cattle, fruit and berries, etc that we give much away to the local churches and neighbors. We had someone steal some of our old guns and now we are looking to replace them. Do you know where I can buy a Winchester model 63 engraved by Angelo Bee and how much would it cost? Thank you, Tony.

Answer:
Tony- Sorry, we cannot help with that one. Angelo Bee is a well known and very high quality engraver. I have seen a couple of his pieces listed on auction sites over the years, but did not pay attention to pricing as that is not an area we get into.

I recommend you Google for "Angelo Bee Winchester 63” to see what turns up. I hope you have the serial numbers and have reported the theft to the local police. They can (and are supposed to) enter it into the NCIC database so that if something is recovered they can return it to the owner. Good luck! John Spangler


# 15214 - Browning Markings
8/15/2015
Lara, Mcdonough, Ga.USA

Browning - 35 - 9 Mm - 4¨ - Blue - 50000 -

There is a lion over PV and a star over a D and some kind of anchor. This markings are on the magazine, because the slide is almost erased. Can you help me to Know what does these markings mean ? Thanks in advance.

Answer:
Lara, the markings that you are asking about sound like Belgian proof marks. I did a quick Google search and came up with the following links that may be helpful:

PROOF MARKS - NRA National Firearms Museum

Belgian Proof Marks, Date Codes and Controller's Marks

Hits and Misses: Deciphering Belgian Proof Marks

Hope this helps. Marc


# 15142 - Marlin Model 93
8/15/2015

I have just received a marlin model 93 with the Number c3000 on it and was hoping you could help put a date to it. Thank You. Kelly

Answer:
Sorry, we cannot help with that one. We just do not know much about Marlins, and their serial numbers are really hard to track by date. The model 1893 was first made in 1893, and in 1904, they changed the name from Model "1893" to just "93" so your gun was made after 1904. Production stopped in 1935, so that narrows it down some. John Spangler


# 15208 - 1947 Model 94
8/12/2015
Scott, Phoenix, Az

Winchester - 94 - 30 30 - Unsure - Blue - 1454725 -

This Winchester is part of my deceased uncle's estate. I am trying to get a rough idea of the value. It is in good plus condition. Any help or even a ballpark is much appreciated.

Answer:
Scott, your Winchester sounds like a good item, records indicate that it was manufactured in 1947. You told me about the condition but you did not mention if there have been any alterations. We often see Model 94 rifles that have had a recoil pad added, or the received has been drilled and tapped so that a scope could be mounted. If your Winchester is in original condition, with no alterations, value is in the $550-750 range. If there have been alterations, value is in the $350 range. Marc


# 15141 - Edward Lovell – Savannah, GA, Gun Maker
8/12/2015
Florida

Hello. have you seen any guns from Edward Lovell, a Savannah, Georgia, maker prior to the civil war. I know he started making guns in Savannah in 1835. What would one of his Savannah Georgia guns from the 1835 to 1850s period bring. So far no one has seen any of his weapons. Thank you.

Answer:
Sir- Sorry, we cannot help with that one. We know nothing about this maker or his products, so it is impossible to put a value on one. However, value is driven by demand which depends on technical, historical or artistic merits. A gun of average quality made by a maker few have heard of, or presumably care about, will have very modest value to a gun collector. However, to a descendant of the maker looking for one as a keepsake, the added sentimental value may drive the price much higher. Good luck. John Spangler


# 15207 - CCCP Luger Holster
8/8/2015
Lee - Hartsville , SC , USA

Luger - German Luger - 9mm - Blue - 91 -

I have a question regarding a stamped holster for a German Luger. The Luger was taken by my grandfathers jeep driver and given to my grandfather for fear of being captured with it. I noticed that the stamp inside the Luger holster has ( I can`t read all of it ) but noticed CCCP at the end of a stamp? Could it have been captured and put into service by the Russians at one time ? My email is danielleetillmaniv@gmail.com

Answer:
Lee, I would have to see the holster to be sure but I think that there is a chance that this is not a Luger holster at all. We often see Lugers that were brought back from the war in a holster that was originally designed for another firearm. Use this link to contact us: http://oldguns.net/email/ and I will be able to give you better information. Marc


# 15140 - BOOKS ON PRE-1870 German Firearms
8/8/2015
Pete

Do you know of ANY books that cover this subject ? Not interested in post 1870/Nazi or modern era, but mainly flint and percussion weapons. I've googled this but no luck.

Answer:
Pete- Thanks for contacting Antique and Collectable Firearms and Militaria Headquarters.

You have already found that most books start with the period beginning in 1870, because that was the date for German unification from their previous disjointed patchwork quilt of independent or temporarily aligned states and principalities. Prior to 1871 each had their own arms, sometimes shared by a number, but sometimes unique to a single place.

There are only four references I can think of:

1- John Walter, The German Rifle: A Comprehensive illustrated history of the standard bolt action designs, 1871-1945. Yes, I know it says 1871 in the title, but it actually has a very comprehensive section on all the various Needle Gun designs circa 1841-1871.

2- Frederick P. Todd, et al, American Military Equipage, 1851-1872. This is a multi-volume set, published in two different configurations, but you need "Volume 1" of either format. This includes very good coverage of the European arms imported during the Civil War.

3- David Noe and Joseph Serbaroli, European Bayonets of the American Civil War. Okay, the books is about bayonets, not muskets, but it has a surprising amount of information on the bayonet holders as well.

4- George Moller, American Military Shoulder Arms, 3 volumes (so far). First volume covers our colonial and Revolutionary War eras. Volume 2 goes until the end of the flintlock era, and Volume 3 covers flintlock conversions and percussion muzzle loaders through 1865. Moller's superb research includes virtually all foreign arms imported for use in America during the respective periods, either by the federal or state governments, which includes most European types.

Note that the above all cover long arms, which are my area of interest. I am not aware of any references on early Germanic handguns. Hope that helps. John Spangler


# 15211 - Femaru Model M1937 Pistol
8/4/2015
judy, Kissimmee, fl

Don`t Know -

Femaru-fegyver-es gepgyar rt 37m My Grandfather was in WWII. He brought back a Femaru- fegyver-es gepgyar rt 37m. I am wondering if there is a way to identify who this gun was issued too during the war. My Grandfather was very knowledgeable about guns and led me to believe that there was something special or different about this particular gun.

Answer:
judy, the Femaru Model M1937 pistol was manufactured by Femaru- Fegyver-es Gepgyar R. T. of Budapest, Hungary, there were approximately 200,000 of them made from 1937 to 1944-1945.

M1937 sides that were manufactured under German supervision are marked "Pistole M.37, CAL 7.65 mm jhv 41" or "P.MOD. 37, KAL. 7.65 jhv 41" on the left hand side. These model M1937 pistols should also be marked with Eagle over 58, Eagle over WaA58 or Eagle over WaA173 on left trigger guard web. Your magazine should be marked with serial numbers that match number of the pistol. The magazine numbers are stamped on the bottom of the magazine but they are difficult to see and easily overlooked unless one is specifically looking for them.

M37 pistols were well made and they are popular with collectors. Jan C. Still's book, "Axis Pistols" book indicates that most of the jhv 41 variation M37 pistols went to the Luftwaffe. All the reported M37 holsters bear Luftwaffe acceptance stamps; however, it is probable that some of the jhv 43 variation went to the German Army. In all, about 80,000 M37's were procured by the German military.

Sorry, I do not know of any way to trace the history of this pistol. Marc


# 15138 - “Demil” Japanese Rifle With Holes In Receiver
8/4/2015
Richard

I want to know exactly what 'demill' means. Is there a single procedure or are there a number of ways to render a firearm non-useable? Is the process reversible? I have a really fine Type 99 with 2 small holes drilled from the top into the receiver. I am told it will never fire again. Is that true? Richard

Answer:
“Demilitarization” or “DEMIL” is usually done by totally cutting with a torch or shear so that the gun is obviously junk scrap metal beyond rebuilding. There are U.S. military manuals specifying how this must be done, and the BATFE has their own standards for any calss 3 machine gun type items. Hope that helps. John Spangler


# 15210 - Remington Model No. 4 Rolling Block Rifle
8/1/2015
Rich, Park Ridge, NJ, Bergen

Remington - Rolling Block #4 - 32 Rim Fire Short Or Long Rifle - 261/2 '' - Blue - 355186 -

None, great condition What is its value?

Answer:
Rich, the Model Number 4 Rolling Block Rifle was Remington's lightest and smallest rolling block design. Number 4 rifles were chambered for 22, short, long and long rifle; 25 Stevens; 32 short and long rimfire calibers. Finish on these rifles was blue with case hardened frames and iron mountings. Standard rifles were sold with V-notch rear and bead front sights and 22.5 inch octagonal barrels for most of production and 24 inch barrels for rifles chambered in 32 caliber. Round barrels became available in latter years towards end of production. Take-down rifles were introduced after the turn of the century and these can bring slight premium for rifles in better grades of condition. Remington manufactured about 50,000 Model 4 Rolling Block Rifles from 1890 to 1933, values range from $250 to about $1500 depending on condition, configuration and caliber. Marc


# 15139 - Thai Or Siamese Mauser Rifle?
8/1/2015

First, I have no knowledge of weapons, so I really can't explain certain parts of the rifle correctly. I also know that I will have to answer a bunch of questions from you experts. I will try. I inherited a rifle that I believe is a Model 1903 Springfield. It has a bayonet (about a 10-inch blade with a wood handle and a cover). There are NO markings in English or with arabic numerals. ALL the markings are in a very strange script. It does not look like any language I have ever seen: Cyrillic, Arabic, Chinese, etc. It looks more like Egyptian hieroglyphs than anything else. The bayonet has five markings on the base of the blade. There are four markings just in front of the bolt (on the top). There are characters on what I'll call the back sight, which raises up and has a sliding piece. When raised, the characters are on the part of the sight opposite the shooter's eye.

I can't photograph the characters as my camera can't focus close enough to make them out (they're about one-eighth of an inch high). I can't even copy them as some are very complex.

I would love to find out something about this weapon. I live in New Jersey, so if anyone knows of a nearby expert I can visit, I would appreciate it. If there's anything else I can tell you about the rifle that may be helpful, please let me know. One thing I forgot to mention. The bolt does NOT go down, it sticks straight out. When you pull the bolt back, it stands straight up (0 degrees), then when you push it back in, it moves to 90 degrees. Thank you.

Answer:
Sir- Your rifle sounds like it is probably a Siamese Mauser, made in Japan around the time of WW1 for the old Kingdom of Siam, now known as Thailand. Check the foreign number translation table on our other site at http://armscollectors.com/numbers.htm and your marks should match the Thai markings. These rifles use a very scarce obsolete cartridge so they are about worthless for shooting. In the 1960s or 70s a large number were imported into the US and sold at very low prices mainly for use as decorators. The stocks are made of a very weak oriental wood and are easily damaged. I once bought a large trash barrel full of these rifles (admittedly in deplorable condition with many missing parts and mostly broken stocks) that came from a defunct junior military school for $40.00 for the barrel full. The seller was happier than I was! John Spangler


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