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# 14797 -
Remington Rolling Block Rifle Date
John, West Palm Beach, FL
1863 Rolling Block Rifle -
32 stamped on underside of octagon barrel front of stock. Patent dates on side of receiver. Patent
dates on side of receiver list month & year, from 1860 - 863 (approx. 5). Would this confirm
manufacturing date being the most recent? I inherited the gun and am doing research to
determine its value...
Answer: John- It is hard to be sure exactly
what you have, or when it was made without seeing some photos. I am pretty sure that at .32
caliber it is one of the sporting rifles made by Remington. However, Remington’s rolling blocks
were made from about 1865 through the 1920s, and all of them traced their basic designs back to
the patents granted in the 1860s, so the patent date really does not tell us much about actual
date of manufacture.
Perhaps the best information is this rather lengthy introduction by Norm Flayderman in his superb
“Flayderman’s Guide to Antique American Firearms and Their Values.” We recommend that
EVERY collector make this the first purchase for their reference library. I would encourage you to
check your rifle against those shown in Flayderman for more information.
“The Remington Rolling Block Action
One of the most famous and prolifically produced of all American arms is the famed Remington
Rolling Block. So many were made over such a long period that they are almost taken for granted
on the collectors' market and very little in detailed/in-depth studies have ever been published to
systematically categorize each and every model. The author will not attempt to do so here, but
will try to put them in perspective.
The basic principle for the so-called rolling block breech was patented by Leonard M. Geiger in
1863. The action was improved by Remington's own genius, Joseph Rider, and first produced as
the "Split Breech" carbines (q.v.). Rider continued to develop the mechanism until finally
perfected in 1866 with further improvements patented in April, 1866, August, 1867, and
The rolling block was an interlocking system of hammer and breech determined to be one of the
strongest actions of its era and capable of handling any ammunition then produced. Popularity
was due not only from its tremendous strength, but the simplicity of action: (a) Hammer cocked; (b)
breechblock very simply rolled backward and downward by pressure of thumb on the projecting
ear-like lever on the side of the block; simultaneously
the spent cartridge was extracted; (c) by merely rolling breechblock into place, gun was ready to
fire (in its final refinement the hammer was also locked at the full cock position).
The rolling blocks are divided into two basic styles for collector purposes: (1) Military, (2) Sporting.
Each group, especially the latter, has its own subcategories. Production was over a remarkably
long period, 1867 to 1934 (in one form or another) with over a million of the military models and
The rolling block was produced in four basic action sizes or types which, in many cases, are also
model number designations. The largest of these actions was the No. I, first introduced in 1868,
and the smallest was the No. 4, introduced in 1890:
No. 1 Action: l 1/4"wide. Largest of the rolling blocks; chambering from small bores to the
largest and heaviest calibers.
No. 1 1/2 Action: About identical in profile and dimensions to the No. 1 above but narrower
in width and lighter in weight. Not chambered for the heavier calibers.
No. 2 Action: 1 1/8" wide. Chambering generally for the less potent cartridges of medium sizes
with several for pistol size cartridges. Easily distinguished by the arched or curved
contour at rear sides of action where it joins [the] stock.
No. 3 Action: Not a rolling block type. This was the Remington-Hepburn, falling block
No. 4 Action: Made in rimfire calibers .22, .25/10 Stevens and .32. A lightweight rolling
block action quite short size; the forward section of the receiver (especially the receiver ring into
which the barrel is screwed) is noticeably narrower than either of its predecessors (the Models No.
1 or No. 2).
No. 5 Action: Large action similar to the No. 1 size, but designed for "Smokeless High
Powered Cartridges" and first introduced in 1898. Has the extraction device for rimless
cartridge cases. The last of the large frame rolling blocks.”
Hope that helps. John Spangler
# 14897 -
Austrian Marked Luger
Vance, Fort Lauderdale, FL. USA
Luger Erfute -
Front of grip 3/.R.R.16.70. 8435 on left of barrel & front of frame. 35 on rt side frame/toggle
above trigger/rear of sight/extractor/top toggle. Rt side barrel eagle crest with odd stamp and
2356.60. Frame above trigger eagle crest with odd stamp and 2356.60. 1918 / 20 top of barrel.
Top toggle has other stamps I cannot decipher. Mag in non match #9735 with odd O, dagger?,
eagle with 83 under it. Under barrel is marked made in Austria. ''Holster has a crown stamp with III
under it on back, pull up strap works. How rare is this piece & value.
Answer: Vance, your Luger has some interesting markings, there are some that
I can identify, but there are others that I have never seen on a Luger before.
The "1918 / 20" markings lead me to believe that your Luger is one of a type commonly known
as a "Double Dated" Lugers. The Double Dated Lugers are usually WWI German military issue
pistols that were factory reworked and reissued after WWI to German Army and Police units, as
permitted by the treaty of Versailles. 1918 is the original year of manufacture. The 1920
indicated that the Luger could be legitimately issued to the new German army, the Reichswehr,
or issued to the police. It may have been reworked or modified during this time. If the pistol was
issued to the German police it may have been modified with a small metal bar on the left side of
the upper receiver to prevent if from firing when it was partially disassembled.
"3/.R.R.16.70" is a unit marking, it stands for one of the two following definitions, depending on if
first R is written in a script like, or regular font:
Infanterie Regiment 3 Rekrutendepot Kompagnie 16 Waffe Nr. 70
Reserve Infanterie Regiment 3 Kompagnie 16 Waffe Nr. 70
The markings that I can't identify are "Austria" and "2356.60". I am guessing that 2356.60 may
be some sort of police - weapon, or rack number. Austria is an unusual marking to have on a
Luger. It sounds like an import marking for the Luger's country of origin, these were applied in
accordance wit U.S. laws to foreign manufactured firearms when they were imported into the
United States. I have seen allot of Lugers that are marked "Germany" but I have never seen one
that is marked "Austria". The Austrian police typically used pistols designed and made by the
Steyr company. The Austrian Army was absorbed into the German Army after the Anschluss in
1938. The Austrian police continued to used Austrian manufactured weapons, but many were
marked with the Nazi eagle.
For more information, a good place to look would be the Jan Still Luger forum at
http://luger.gunboards.com/. Good luck, Marc
# 14866 -
Finnbear 30-06 Value
Michael, Needmore, PA
engraving on trigger guard and floor plate This rifle has never been fired and has been kept in
perfect condition. No scratches or rust. What is the value???
Answer: Michael, values in the blue book range from around $500 to over
$1000 depending on condition. Marc
# 14796 -
Krag Rifle Cut To Carbine Length
Dewey ,Hamilton Ohio USA
Unknown At This Time -
What can you tell me about this carbine ?? I read on your site that a lot of these were cut down
or modified for hunters .. Was this one done like that.. This link has pictures of it.
http://sdrv.ms/1bYH2hi Can get better pictures if needed
Answer: Dewey- Your rifle was made as a full length rifle with a 30 inch barrel
and later cut down, probably for use as a hunting rifle. The barrel band is from a German Model
1898 Mauser rifle and still has the German Army unit markings stamped on it. The front sight
looks like it is also from a Mauser. Several details confirm that it is cut down, mainly the fact that
the serial number range was used for rifles, not carbines, the incorrect front sight and barrel band,
and the presence of a butt sling swivel, and the lack of a band spring, Collector value is minimal,
but it probably is still a good hunting rifle. John Spangler
# 14795 -
A Picture Is Worth 10,000 Words
Steve, Powhatan, VA, USA
Sharps ?? -
Octagonal barrel. Single shot, muzzle loader, not breech loaded. 2 triggers. No name anywhere
on it. Some engraved scroll work on the metal. Looks like a Sharps 50 Cal, but the stock is
butted directly against the trigger set. Doesn't have a long tapered piece on the sides back into
the stock like most Sharps rifles. ''143'' stamped on top of barrel, back side of the hammer and
inside the trigger set cover. This rifle has a solid steel forestock, unlike the pictures I've seen of
most Sharps. How can I determine what this gun actually is, manufacturer and when it was made?
email is firstname.lastname@example.org
Answer: Steve- Your
gun sounds interesting, but I cannot visualize what it is. I really need to see some photos to even
guess. Best I can do now is to guess that it is a fairly typical circa 1830-1860 muzzle loading
hunting rifle or target rifle, maybe even a Civil a sniper rifle. But, I really cannot say. John
# 14890 -
George, Charlotte, NC
Howard Arms Co -
Secret Service Special -
(L?) 65384 -
It's a top break. Thought it was an Iver Johnson because it looks the same. The barrel is marked
with ''Secret Service Special'' on the side, and Howard Arms Co. Chicago USA on top. When was
the gun made and is it worth having repaired? Any assistance would be helpful.
Answer: George, Secret Service Special was a trade name used on
inexpensive revolvers that were sold by Rohde-Spencer Company of Chicago. The Howard Arms
Co name was distributed by H&D Folsom, usually on shotguns made by their subsidiary company,
Crescent Firearms, or imported from Belgium. Marc
# 14794 -
Diamond Headstamp On Rimfire Ammunition
Amanda, Hehzibag, Ga
Diamond on Headstamp area. A friend of mine has some old bullets. They have a diamond on
the headstamp and that's all. From the pictures that I pull up, I want to say they that they are .41
short rimfire ammo . But I'm not positive. So my question is how do I find out what year they are
from? If its really a .41, The manufacturer would be good to know also. Where we found them was
pretty interesting . So if I could find out more info that would be great. Thanks
Answer: Amanda- The diamond headstamp on rimfire ammunition indicates
manufacture by the Western Cartridge Company, which first used this mark around 1910. The .41
short rimfire was used in the popular Remington double barrel derringers, along with dozens of
other small pocket guns. However, production of the ammo ceased around the time of WW2 and
it is very hard to find any more. Navy Arms Company made a small run probably 30 years ago,
but even that has pretty much vanished off the market, so even a few loose rounds have some
value and appeal to collectors who have one of the .41 short rimfire guns and wants a few rounds
to try shooting it or for display. John Spangler
# 14889 -
Post 64 Mod. 94 Value
Beth, Louisburg KS
Winchester 94 -
30-30 Win -
How old is it? What is it worth? It is in mint condition- not sure it has ever been
Answer: Beth, is it a 22 or is it a 30-30? My guess is that it
is a 30-30. Your rifle was manufactured in 1976. There is not much collector interest in post
1964 Winchester rifles but they are still popular with shooters. The blue book lists prices for this
model in the $400 range. Marc.
# 14787 -
Spanish American War 1893 Mauser 1896
Gary, Belle Chasse Louisiana
7x57 Mauser -
29 1/4 -
K 1833 -
Mauser espanol modelo 1893 manufactura Loewe Berlin Stamped on side of reciever. Spanish
crest Berlin 1896 on top of reciever. Spanish crest with 1896 on stock. Hello, i have recently
aquired a model 1893 spanish mauser, the rifle has matching serial numbers including bolt.
Believe it could be a captured rifle from spanish american war. Would rate rifle to be in good
condition. What price range could i expect this rifle to be worth. Thank you, Gary.
Answer: Gary- I agree that your rifle was probably one of the ones captured in
the Spanish American War. Some of the captured arms were brought home as personal
souvenirs, but most were just sold off as surplus, with Francis Bannerman Sons the successful
buyer of the lot. They sold these off circa 1905-1920. From the scarcity of these rifles on the
market, my estimate is that there were no more than about 5,000 of these rifles, perhaps only half
as many which survive. Compared to the roughly 150,000 Krag rifles the opposing side’s weapons
are surprisingly hard to find. However, the number of collectors wanting Span-Am War stuff
seems to be small, so prices remain somewhat modest despite their scarcity. Exact value will
depend on condition, and if this number can be found on the handful of official documents listing
captured arms which give a bit more specific history. A rough rang would be in the $500-1000
range, while the post 1898 Spanish Muaser rifles sometimes go for $100-250. John
# 14888 -
E.N. Santa Barbara 1858 Remington New Model Army
Chuck , Richmond Ky.
E.n.Santa Barbara -
engraved and cased What is the worth?
Answer: Chuck, a quick
search on Gun Broker shows the cased and engarved model selling for $450 or less. Regular
models seem to be going in the $250 range. Marc