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# 15609 -
Nickel Plated Walther PP
3 7/8" -
288XXX P -
Could I have some information on the following Walther PP: .32caliber-nickel plated, serial number 288XXX
P, plastic grips with Walther Banner, NO Walther banner or other identification on slide, ejection port on right
side, there may have been a lanyard ring at base of grip, small proofmark just under and in ejection port--
appears to be an eagle (wings spread)over a capital "N"--the spread of the wings is about 5 to 6 times the
width of the "N". By the way, the "N" and eagle would be upright only if the pistol were pointed straight up.
Any help would be appreciated as we have been trying to get some history on this pistol for some time.
Answer: The Eagle N stamping that you describe is a Nazi
commercial proof. Eagle N proofs were stamped on Walther PP’s manufactured from 1940 to 1945. Walther
PP’s produced prior to 1940 are stamped with a Crown N proof. Eagle N proofs should be stamped on the
right side of the slide under the ejection port , on the right side of the chamber, and also on the right side of
the barrel near the muzzle. Walther PP’s in the 288XXX P serial number range should have the Walther
Banner and legend stamped on the left hand side of the slide. A serial number that matches the one
stamped on the frame should be stamped on the right hand side of the slide or the last 3 digits of the serial
number should be scribed on the inside of the slide. Walther PP’s with original factory nickel finish are
extremely rare. After WWII the French added a lanyard ring to some Walther PP pistols. The nickel plating,
absence of some standard markings and the lanyard ring all lead me to believe that your Walther PP has
been refinished... Marc
# 15528 -
Krag Cut Down Or Carbine?
Joe, New Market, Tennessee
US Springfield Armory -
30-40 Krag -
A star on the Nader side of the barrel and some very faint numbers just before the barrel. The first number
is a 4 then maybe a 2 but it`s hard to say. I know very little about these rifles and bought on a whim at a
flea market. I would like to know if it`s an original carbine or if it`s been modified. I hope you can help me
with this. Thanks Joe email@example.com
Answer: Joe- Every
number with any data for a long way either side of this one is a full length rifle, so I am certain your gun is a
cut down rifle, not a carbine. Besides, by this time the carbines were all made with receivers marked
“MODEL 1899” instead of MODEL 1898. People really need to do a bit of research BEFORE buying Krag or
Trapdoor “carbines” from places other than reputable dealers. You might get lucky, but you are more likely
to buy an education. John Spangler
# 15527 -
Two Krags For One Money- Investment Or Waste Of Money?
Levi, Bremerton, WA
US Springfield Armory -
30-40 Krag -
24'', 22'' -
209484, 94609 -
SN#209484 has notches on the stock, 23 on the right side and 6 or 7 on the left. Picked these two up at an
auction. Paid $450 for the pair. I`m just curious if I paid too much for them or if they are worth something. I`m
pretty sure they aren`t original. Sporterized I believe. I`ve got some pictures if that helps.
Answer: Levi- Both guns started off as full length infantry rifles
with 30 inch barrels, so they have been altered for sporting use. Krags are noted for their exceptionally
smooth actions and the .30-40 cartridge is pretty good in various loadings for just about any North
American medium to large game animal. They are probably good shooters, although probably not worth a
whole lot more than what you paid for them. You could possibly part them out for about the same amount,
but probably a little less.
Like many auction buyers, it is easy to get carried away with a desire to “win” and go higher than the lot is
worth, especially if at an auction where they add on “buyers’ premiums” and other junk fees to jack up the
price even further. Not to mention their sometimes outrageous shipping charges. But, sometimes you can
get rare items or good deals at auction, so it can work either way. John
# 15612 -
DWM 1917 -
3 in -
Toggle is mismatched ser. # 07 rest matches including magazine. Gripstrap is marked RIR 72 and MGK 412.
Right side of receiver forward are 4 German proofs. ¨Geschert¨ under safety. Thanks What info if any
might you have regarding this piece?, specifically the regimental markings?¨
Answer: Harvey, I am always happy to find German weapons with regimental
markings, for me the markings add to the history and nostalgia of the piece and make it much more
desirable. Jeff Noll's book "The Imperial German Regimental Marking", has several examples of Lugers that
have similar markings. From the examples in Mr. Noll's book I am able conclude that "R.I.R. 72" stands for
"Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment number 72" and "MGK 412" stands for "Maschinengewer-Kompagnie 412".
Hope that this helps, Marc.
# 15606 -
What Is It Worth?
Rich Bradford pa
German marking What is it worth
Answer: Rich, during WWII the
German Heereswaffenamt asked Astra to develop a pistol built around the 9MM parabellum round that was
smaller than the model 400. Fifty prototypes were assembled in 1943 as test pieces. The prototypes were
approved by the Heereswaffenamt and Astra commenced manufacture their new model 600.
Between May 16 and July 16 of 1944, a total of 10,450 Model 600 pistols were sent to the town of Irun on
the French border for use by German troops that were then occupying France. The serial number range of
these pistols was 51-10500. A short time later an additional 28,000 pistols were delivered to the border, but
could not be accepted by the Germans because they were evacuating the area as a result of the Allied
invasion of Normandy. The serial number range of pistols that could not be delivered was 10501-38500.
These pistols were returned to Spain where they were used by the Spanish Government. Model 600
production was terminated in 1945 with pistol # 59546. Serail numbers 38501 to 59546 were placed in
stock by the factory and eventually sold to the West German Government.
Astra 600 pistols with German markings are worth about twice what their counterparts without German
markings are. Depending on condition, your pistol could be worth anywhere from $200 for an example with
allot of pitting and mis-matched parts to around $1200 for a pistol in excellent condition.
Would there be much interest from buyers/collectors for the gun. I have no children to pass it on to, so I
would like to sell. Also have BATF paper work.
Answer: Frank- Unlike
many of the people who contact us with fully automatic weapons, you have the BATF paperwork, which
makes a huge difference. With the papers you can legally sell yours, albeit the process is a bit tricky with
fingerprints, background checks, a $200 tax stamp, permission from the FBI and/or BATF and other wickets
to jump through.
We are not licensed to deal in Class 3 weapons, so we do not mess with them at all, and do not follow
prices, but they seem to start at the $5,000 range and go up rapidly for the more popular or better condition
items, with some of the really great items getting into the six digit price range. Some of the major firearms
auction houses regularly handle sales of class 3 weapons, and I would recommend either Cowans in
Cincinnati or Rock Island in Moline, IL. John Spangler
# 15522 -
M1903 Springfield In .22 Caliber
Ser# indicates 1907, barrel dated S A 2-25, M2 bolt Ser# D 28223-2, M2 clip in milled out bottom plate. Blued
plate to hold mag in well has ser#2835. Faint proof/inspection marks on stock, looks refinished. If barrel
was lined to .22 it was a very good job. So, what do I have here? Doesn`t seem to match any conversion
kits I have been able to find. Beautiful rifle, shoots like a target gun!
Answer: Alex- I am certain that you have a regular .30-06 M1903 Springfield rifle that
someone converted to .22 caliber using M1922 Springfield .22 caliber parts. The M1903 and M1922
receivers were nearly identical except that the machining for feeding .30 caliber cartridges requiring nearly
all the bottom over the magazine to be cut away, while the .22 caliber only needed a small cut so the .22
magazine would line up for feeding. The barrel date is appropriate for a M1922 barrel made in .22 Long
Rifle caliber and while having the usual date/flaming bomb/SA near the muzzle, it would also have a marking
on the left side of the chamber area “LONG RIFLE CART’GE ONLY.”
The bolt and magazine are M2 style (sometimes called M1922M2 which technically is correct only the earlier
M1922 or M1922M1 rifles which were (arsenal) updated to M2 configuration.
You specify that it has a milled out bottom plate and M2 magazine, so that rules out the interesting
conversion unit made by Numrich Gun Parts in the 1960s which used a modified stamped M1903A3 trigger
guard and a Harrington & Richardson magazine. The Numrich conversion also used a barrel insert which
slipped into the .30 caliber barrel and was turned 90 degrees to lock it in place. Those are pretty collectible,
and reportedly good shooters. However, your hybrid M1903 would probably be an excellent shooter,
even if the collector interest and value are significantly lower than for a “real” .22 Springfield. John
My understanding is some of the Marlins are not really worth having unless they are older ones this is a
1980 model How can I tell if it`s worth purchasing for under $400
Answer: Jesse, unfortunately, Marlins are an area we never had much interest in, so
we really cannot help much with this question.
I can tell you that the blue book indicates that starting in 1973, the year of production for Marlin rifles can be
determined by subtracting the first 2 numbers of the serial number from 100 so you are correct that this rifle
was manufactured in 1980. As for value, blue book prices for the various 336 models generally seem to
top out in the $400 range so the $400 asking price for the Marlin you are interested in does not seem to be
much of a bargain.
For more information, a quick Google search provided me with a link to the Marlin Collectors Site at the
following URL: http://www.marlin-collectors.com. There is a forum there for you to post questions. Good
Luck - Marc
# 15601 -
Nazi HP Value
Joe, Des Moines, IA
Wartime (Belgium) production, small Nazi stamp on side of gun Approximate sales value person to
Al, the High Power pistol was designed by John
Moses Browning and manufactured
by Fabrique Nationale (FN) in Herstal, Belgium. The Belgians were first armed
forces to adopt the High Power as an official sidearm, they did this in 1935.
Between 1935 and the German capture of the FN factory on May 29, 1940 contracts
were filled for the armed forces of several countries including Belgium, China,
Peru, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Sweden and France.
From the plant's seizure by the Germans in May of 1940 to its liberation in
September of 1944, over 319,000 High Powers pistols were manufactured for the
German Wehrmacht. The first several thousand pistols were made up from captured
parts and had a high polish finish, a shoulder stock slot cut into the rear
grip strap and tangent rear sight. To speed production, the Germans eliminated
the shoulder stock slot and then the tangent sight at about serial number 145000.
As production continued, the quality of finish was reduced to dull blue over
a progressively less polished metal. The Germans used three Waffenenamt stamps
on High Power pistols:
Eagle over WaA613
Eagle over WaA103
Eagle over WaA140.
Your pistol is the third variation, these were stamped with eagle over WaA140,
had fixed 50-meter sights, wood or brown plastic grips and dull military-blue
finish over rough machine marks. The approximate serial range for this variation
is 145000 to 210000, then 01a to 100000a and finally 01b to 63000b.
Yearly production of High Power pistols under German occupation was as follows:
No. 5365 Rifle Sub Cal 30 M9 ORD Corps U.S.A. WVT ARS INSP E.S.M. 730 7569 I have been trying to
identify this barrel and suppressor guard assembly and find a value on it for a few years... Found in old
family collection... Can you please help out???
Answer: Mike- That is an
easy one. You have the barrel from a subcaliber device used in the 106mm Recoilless rifle. Basically this
was a dummy 106mm recoilless rifle cartridges with a .30 caliber rifle barrel fitted in the center of it.
Here is what Army Technical Manual 9-1300-204, Ammunition for Recoilless Rifles dated 25 May 1959 has
to say about them:
“Rifle, Subcaliber, Caliber .30, M9 (106mm)-
This “rifle” is a subcaliber device used in training personnel in the use of 106mm recoilless rifles. It has the
outward appearance of a 106mm cartridge case and the rear portion of a projectile with a preengraved
rotating band. This part is called the muzzle shell. The subcaliber rifle contains a modified .30 machine gun
barrel in which a regular caliber .30 ball cartridge is used for simulating the fire of a 106mm cartridges. The
barrel contains gas ports to vent the propellant gasses. Effective training of personnel may be
accomplished with this device as substantial savings. The device may also be used without the .30 ball
cartridge as a drill cartridge, that is, for practice in loading the weapon. The device, which is not an
ammunition item of issue is issued completely assembled similar in appearance to a complete round. For
further information on this device, see ORD 8 SNL C33t section 20 which lists the component parts and
equipment stocked for maintenance and rebuild of the device.”
I recall seeing one of these for sale a while back at a price that was something like $400 for the complete
unit. Just the barrel would have some demand (especially from someone with a 106mm recoilless rifle they
wanted to shoot, and willing to fabricate the remaining parts to make your barrel useful. Put it on one of the
auction sites and see what people want to pay for it.
Similar subcaliber devices consisting of basically a rifle caliber barrel inserted in a cartridge case shaped
holder were widely used in all sorts of artillery pieces from about 37mm up to large naval guns, including
ones chambered for .45-70 and .30-40 Krag cartridges. Sometimes a whole rifle or cannon action and
barrel were used (see M1903A2 Springfield) inserted into the bore, or a 37mm cannon bolted to the outside
of a 10 inch naval gun. Quite a collecting niche if someone wanted to pursue it! John
Centr -u- -
7mm Rem Mag -
Answer: Locke- in 1913 the British were about to replace
the old .303 Lee Enfield design and adopt a Mauser style “Pattern 1913” rifle using a .276 caliber rimless
cartridge. However World War I started in 1914 so the British abandoned the plan and they modified the
new rifle to use .303 ammunition, creating the Pattern 1914 rifle. While British factories were busy making
Lee Enfields, the Pattern 1914 rifles were contracted out to American makers Winchester, Remington and a
new Remington operation known as Eddystone. These were strong and reliable rifles and armed many
Commonwealth troops during WW1 and again in WW2. When made, these had the usual receiver sights
graduated to 1,600 yards. In addition, these had “volley sights” on the left side for firing at extreme ranges
of 1,500 to 2,600 yards. If memory serves me correctly, P-14 the production took place 1914-1916. It is
anybody's guess when your rifle was modified to chamber 7MM Mag.
# 15510 -
Miller Conversion Musket- Cut Down
Bob, Springfield , Mass
Wh @Hw Miller -
Steel butplate U S stamping 2 barrel bands are also stamped U S The cartridge extractor, that was
attached too ``trapdoor hinge`` is missing lock plate and hammer are reproduction, what might the value be
of this piece?
Answer: Bob- Unfortunately, the value of your Miller
conversion musket will be pretty low. The Miller conversions are an interesting concept, well executed, but
never adopted for U.S. military use, although a few militia units purchased some. Thus, collector interest is
pretty low. Many were cut down by Bannerman or other surplus merchants for sale to youth groups or
military schools circa 1890-1920. The cut down versions have little demand except as decorative items or
for the very few unaltered parts which might be useful in restoration of .58 caliber Civil War muskets. For
all practical purposes no one will even notice the missing extractor. If someone offers you anything over
$100, take it! John Spangler
# 15509 -
KRAG RIFLE WITH “J” CARTOUCHE
Chad, Metamora MI
Krag, 1898 -
Full Length -
JSA 1901 cartouche with stand alone ''J'' to left side Sir, I recently purchased a 1898 Krag that has a clear
1901 JSA cartouche, but just to the left side of the cartouche is a stand alone ''J''. I see that you have one
similar in your inventory. Do you know what the stand along ''J'' stand for? is it rare or add to the
Answer: Chad- As I recall, there are several single letter
markings found on U.S. martial arms, but information is elusive. The only written source I could find (as
opposed to “which exists”) is in Frank Mallory’s 2nd edition of The Krag Rifle Story on page 191, where he
“Around 1908, the practice of placing a special mark on rifles cleaned and repaired at government arsenals
was initiate. This mark consists of the letter “A” for Springfield and a series of letters (“B”, “B”, “C”, etc) for
Manila Ordnance Depot. The letter “C” has been observed on the left side of the stock of a Model 1898 rifle
which appears to have been overhauled….”
Brophy’s “The Springfield Rifles” book on M1903 rifles shows a M1903 with the letter “M” in addition to the
original cartouche, but no explanation.
The brand new book “U.S. Military Arms Inspector Marks” by noted researcher Charles Pate and advanced
collector Anthony Daum which I thought might have something, does not, being focused mainly on original
production, not rework. It is a great book, which I highly recommend, even if it did not answer this question.
In any case, it is almost certainly a post-manufacture marking, which may add some interest but probably
no additional value to arms bearing it. John Spangler
# 15597 -
Cheap Shotgun DOM
FOREST, MS. USA
12 GA. -
WHEN IT WAS MADE
Answer: Forest, Google is your friend. A quick
Google search tells me that the Stevens 940 was "Made between 1961 and 1970. There are no records to
give amore exact date. Marc
# 15594 -
Fair RZM PPK
RZM With 2 clips and holster (no markings on holster) gun is in fair condition. Is this considered to be a
wanted gun? Thanks John
Answer: John, condition is a big factor in
determining the desirability and value of any collectors item. While RZM PPK pistols are rare and highly
sought after collectors items, one that is only in fair condition would be much less desirable to most
collectors than an example that is in better condition. If you want to sell, send us some pictures and we
can help you evaluate the pistol and figure out a fair price. For more information about selling options,
please take a look at the information that we have posted at the following URL: http://oldguns.net/selling.htm
# 15508 -
Replica Sharps Four Barrel Derringer
Mike, Sacramento, CA
C. Sharps & Co -
Pepperbox Pat. 1859 Mod. 1A Replica -
22 LR -
728 MIROKU JAPAN -
SN is on butt of handle & underside of barrel group. Body of pistol is brass. Grips are smooth wood. Miroku
Japan on the trigger side of the butt cross piece -SC- the SN is on the heal side. Solid brass receiver, 5/16''
short of barrel, squared off, not the nice long curve of original. 95% bluing on barrel group. Lightly used,
stored in a purple velour presentation box with a silver fitted lining. No rust, damage, or missing parts.
Functional. Have tried to find a production date on what I believe is a replica / perhaps licensed (?) copy of
the 1859 Pepperbox. The serial number is too low to be original. Have had zero luck on the Miroku firearms
company. Any references would be appreciated. Ballpark valuation would be helpful. Thank you for your
time. firstname.lastname@example.org if pictures would be helpful. Be Well. :-)
Answer: Mike- The old C. Sharps company went out of business more than a century
ago, so there is no way this could be a licensed copy. I recall hearing that someone had a bunch of
replicas made up a decade or so ago, perhaps sold under the Navy Arms name. Miroku makes very nice
quality guns, so this should be a quality piece, although the .22 long rifle is a lot more powerful than the
original .22 short black powder loads the originals were designed for.
I found one of the copies made by Miroku sold on an auction site for $370.01, serial number 5460, so they
probably made a bunch of them, and value would be close to that. My best guess on date would be circa
1980-2000, probably for the Cowboy Action Shooter market. John