# 16808 - Brooklyn Firearms Co. (Slocum) .32 RF Revolver
1/18/2025
Dave dbrawn716@aol.com

Roll marked on barrel is the following:B.A,co Patent April 14th 1863The revolver is a five shot. It is unique in that each hole in the cylinder has a sleeve that slides out of the cylinder onto a mandrel to eject the spent round then a new round must have been laid in the open cylinder and the sleeve lowered down over the new load. Where was it manufactured? By who? For how long? Any guess as to rarity or worth?

Answer:
Dave- You've got a prize there! "Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Firearms and their Values" estimates that under 100 of this model were made in 1863-64, out of a total of about 10,000 other Brooklyn Firearms Co. models. "A unique design with individual chambers in the form of sliding tubes within cut-outs on the cylinder. Chambers slide forward one at a time over a fixed rod on the right side to expose, load and eject. Brass frame silver plated; barrel and cylinder blued or plated....decorative scroll engraving standard on frame... Values- Good $250; Fine $550." The only reason someone went to the trouble to design a mechanical monstrosity like this is that in 1857 Rollin White had patented the idea of a cylinder bored completely through to allow cartridges to be loaded from the rear. Smith & Wesson owned the patent and kept a bunch of lawyers busy successfully suing the shorts off anyone who made a revolver with a bored through cylinder. That's why Colt conversions were Theur and Masons or Richards-Mason lashups until the Rollin White Patent expired and the 1873 Single Action Army with its bored through cylinder could be made. If you decide to sell this, we can help find a buyer... John Spangler and Marc Wade

# 16809 - Remington Model 4 Rifle
1/18/2025
Patty username@mcn.ne

I would be interested in what you could tell me about a Remington .25-10 RF rifle. It is a Model 4 and the writing on the octagon barrel says Remington Arms--Union Metallic Cartridge Co., Remington Works, ?ilion, New York, USA. It is a single shot. There is no date listed. I'll be waiting to hear from you. Thanks, Patty

Answer:
Patty, the Remington Model 4 was the smallest rolling block rifle that Remington produced. The Mod. 4 originally came with a case hardened frame and an octagon barrel, later on take down models were introduced and round barrels became available. Models chambered for .25 Stevens were marked 25-10 on the barrel. Aprox. 350,00 Model 4 rifles were made between 1890 and 1933... Marc

# 16802 - Winchester Date Of Manufacture
1/11/2025
glenn surprise arizona usa

what year was this gun manufactured

Answer:
Glenn- Sorry, we do not know when that was made, but we know where to find out.

The Winchester Arms Collectors Association has a great manufacture date lookup tool on their website.

You select the model, enter the serial number and click to show the date.

We encourage everyone to use this tool available at:

https://winchestercollector.org/dates/

PS- they show your date as 1980

John Spangler

# 16801 - Remington 521
1/4/2025
William omro. wi. usa

Barrel is stamped with IDSS star or 1DSS star. some info I found says the T was added in 1954 but the action inside has a date etched by an owner as not professional of 1091051 When was it made

Answer:
William- You may find a serial number on the bottom of the barrel, just ahead of the tip of the stock. Last place anyone would think of looking, but I know the 513- Ts were all numbered there. However, since serial numbers were not required until 1968 it is possible that Remington did not bother with numbers on the less expensive 521s. But, a serial number will not help a lot with date of manufacture unless you find someone who has compiled a list from actual guns, or it is one of the models recorded in a hand written notebook at the Ilion factory from 1921 into the mid 1940s. That can be viewed on the Remington Society of America site at https://www.remingtonsociety.org/factory-record- book-serials/ It will usually list the week or month of manufacture for each model in serial number sequence. A wonderful tool!

I believe that the ``T`` was used with the Remington 521-T from the start, but I am not sure if they always marked the barrels that way.

The definitive way to date most Remingtons made since 1921 is the date code stamped on the left side of the barrel. The Remington Society of America also has that information, at https://www.remingtonsociety.org/manufacture-dates/

Using that information, your DSS barrel date code indicates September 1947 manufacture.

You mention a ``date etched by an owner as not professional of 1091051`` but I doubt if that is a date. Back in 1960s-90s, there was a fad called ``Operation ID`` where people would mark their driver license or social security number on various property likely to be stolen, to help identify it and get it returned to the owner. We see these turn up on guns from time to time, and it probably knocks $50-100 off the value when found on an otherwise desirable collector gun. For a gun that is valued more as a shooter than a collector piece it only hurts the value a little, but buyers often don`t like the ugly marks so they are harder to sell.

Hope that helps.

John Spangler

# 16807 - P-08 Luger Breakdown Directions
1/2/2025
eric; pfeifer1@aol.com

many swastikas Where is a good place to get the breakdown directions. I would like to give the weapon a good cleaning.

Answer:
Eric, I have two books that give breakdown instructions for the P-08. The first book is, The Gun Digest Book of Firearms Assembly/Disassembly, Part 1 Semi Automatic Pistols by J.B. Wood. The second book is, The NRA Guide To Firearms Assembly. Both books have excellent detailed instructions and pictures that show how to disassemble and reassemble a variety of different firearms including the P-08. Both books also have sections that warn of and deal with any special problems that you might encounter. I would advise getting one of these books and reading the pertinent section thoroughly before you try to disassemble your Luger... Marc

# 16799 - Old Shotgun Part Ident
1/2/2025
Steve

I have an antique percussion pistol part and wondering uf you can help me with identification.

Answer:
Steve- Thanks for the photos, they help a lot.

You have a lock from a cartridge shotgun. It was probably made circa 1875-1910 when most shotguns were double barrel guns using cartridges. It looks like it was nice quality, most likely made in England or Belgium, but possibly elsewhere in Europe or even the U.S.

Due to the condition it does not really have much value except as a curiosity. It is missing the ``mainspring`` which powers the hammer, so it cannot be used in building a new gun, unless someone makes a new spring from scratch.

Most shotguns were double barrel, so there would have been another lock, just like this, but a mirror image so that the hammer would be on the left side of the lock plate, used on the left hand barrel, while this was for the right hand barrel. The face of the hammer is flat, which was for use with a firing pin protruding from where a nipple would be on a percussion gun. Percussion hammers were ``cupped`` to help contain any powder gasses or percussion cap fragments.

Hope that helps.

John Spangler