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# 15095 -
Could Not Find It -
38 Special -
4 /6 -
Don't Know -
Joan Washington Pennsylvania
Made in Germany 1. Where can I find the model number 2. What is this gun worth
Joan, Gecado pistols were marketed by the Dornheim company
(Dornheim G. C. Dornheim AG, Suhl. Germany). Pre-war Gecado pistols were low quality
6.35mm and 7.65mm 'Eibar' type automatics, manufactured by SEAM (q. v.). They bore the word
'Gecado' in a diamond.
Post-war Gecado models were manufactured in West Germany and they included various .22 and
.38 caliber revolvers and a blowback operated semi-auto model much like the pre-war versions
except for a difference in the location of the safety catch. .
Collector interest in this type of pistol is typically low, they often sell in the $50 - $100 range.
# 15043 -
Winchester Model 12 Shotgun Marked CP 32
Model 12 -
12 Ga. -
Cindy, Neodesha, Ks.
The number 32 and the letters CP on stock. I am wanting to know what these stand for the
numbers and letters on the stock of this gun. I sure hope you can help. Thanks.
Cindy- I am not sure what the 32 and CP mean. If it were only CP, it
might be a previous owner’s initials. The 32 suggests it was part of a group of similar guns,
perhaps rental guns from a club, or ones used by a police department or something. A lot of
Winchester Model 12 shotguns were given to law enforcement departments for use in Civil
Defense programs during the Cold War, and that would be my best guess. John
# 15042 -
St Etienne? -
50 ? -
10 1/4 Inches,26 Cm. -
Stainless Steel -
A stamped crown on the brass plate on the left side. A crown with the letter G under it on the brass
plate behind the trigger. Overall length, 20 inches. Very good condition. Can't find anything that
looks anything like it. How rare is it? Approximate value.
I regret we cannot help with this one. Possibly with some photos we
could tell you a little bit, but without them my initial reaction, especially with a “stainless steel
barrel” is that it may be a replica of some sort. John Spangler
# 15093 -
Rossi Made In Spain?
Rossi Made In Spain -
38 Long Cartridge 6 Round Revolver -
4 Inches -
David San Antonio Texas
It has a 12 on the barrel I can't fined any info about it or model number or what year it was made
just know it was made in Spain and the s.n# 11417 Rossi has no Mach for it. Plez help thank
David, Rossi has a pretty good reputation among
inexpensive revolvers for being well made and reliable, but since there is little or no collector
interest in Rossi firearms, I have never paid much attention to them. I can tell you that Rossi was
established in 1889 and located in Sao Leopoldo, Brazil. Since Rossi is a Brazilian company,
your assumption that the revolver was manufactured in Spain is probably incorrect.
A Google search for Rossi manufacture dates pointed me to
The Rossi Model Number Lookup System at http://www.rossiusa.com/find-model.cfm which is
supposed to ``help you find detailed information about your Rossi Gun``. When I entered your
serial number no results were retuned. The instructions on the page say that specific information
for all serial numbers may not be available, especially on older models. If a serial number does
not return a result, they ask you to call Rossi customer service at 305-624-1115. Good Luck
# 15040 -
Colt Revolver Connected To “ Dodge City, Kansas ”
6in With Ejector -
Damian Dixon Ill
Inside walnut grip April 12 1879 George G Wells 134 Front Street Dodge City Kansas
A.T.E.S.F.RR Where can I find its value
Colt revolvers have collector interest and value.
You did not specify a model, but in .45 caliber it has to be either the Model 1873 Single Action
Army or the Model 1878 “Frontier” double action revolver. However, the M1878 serial numbers
never reached 239,000. The SAA did get to 239,000 but not until 1903, so your pistol was made
in 1903. This conflicts with the 1879 date on the grips, raising questions about the authenticity of
the markings. The six inch barrel length is also questionable, as the closest standard lengths
were either 5.5 inch or 7.5 inch.
The closest thing to a George G. Wells in Dodge City in the 1880 census is a Fred Wells, a 30
year old laborer, which may or may not have been working for the railroad.
There was a George Wells living in Wichita, KS, in 1880 who was 31 years old and worked as a
clerk in an agricultural store. Perhaps he had moved and changed careers since April, 1879. Or,
he may be an entirely different person than George G. Wells.
No other information was found that would verify existence of a George G. Wells in Dodge City
Kansas in 1879, or connected with a railroad. Of course, absence of proof does not prove a
negative, but it raises doubts.
Dodge City was a somewhat wild frontier boomtown in 1879, and Wyatt Earp just happened to be
the Sheriff there, leaving in 1879 for points west.
The Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad was a famous early system which opened the west
and connected many markets where previously moving of goods by wagon was cost-prohibitive. A
connection with that would be a nice plus.
However, these are too many “nice coincidences” when found on a gun made long after the
I take a very cautious view of any firearms with a purported history. I strongly recommend Jim
Supica’s thoughts on the subject which can be seen at
Bottom line is that the basic value without any historic connection depends on the exact model,
the condition of the gun, considering any alterations from original. Any added value for the
inscription on the grips needs to be considered separately, but at this point I think they were likely
added to enhance the value for some gullible buyer thinking they were getting some sort of rare
Wyatt Earp related item. I may be wrong, but I would not invest my money in this one. John
# 15085 -
Charter Arms Bulldog
Charter Arms -
34431 Bulldog -
1 - 5 rounds fired since new.2-finish 99% all original 1-What was cost new 2-value
Larry, the Charter Arms Bulldog is a nice little
revolver but there is not much interest among collectors in most Charter Arms models. I have not
been able to find any production data to confirm when the Bulldog was first introduced, but if
memory serves me correctly it was sometime in the late 1970s or early 1980s. I was able to find
that Charter Arms discontinued the Bulldog in 1991, reinstated it in 1994 and discontinued it
again in 1996. The last MSR for the Bulldog was $268. Blue book prices for used Bulldog
revolvers over the last few years have remained pretty steady, starting out at $70 and topping off
at $225 depending on condition. Marc
# 15094 -
Non - Nazi Astra 600 Value
I have a Astra model 600/43 serial number 55587 and was wondering if it was used in war and
how much is it worth
During WWII the German
Heereswaffenamt asked Astra to develop a pistol built around the 9MM parabellum round that
was smaller than the model 400. Fifty prototypes were assembled in 1943 as test pieces. The
prototypes were approved by the Heereswaffenamt and Astra commenced manufacture their new
Between May 16 and July 16 of 1944, a total of 10,450 Model 600 pistols were sent to the town
of Irun on the French border for use by German troops that were then occupying France. The
serial number range of these pistols was 51-10500. A short time later an additional 28,000 pistols
were delivered to the border, but could not be accepted by the Germans because they were
evacuating the area as a result of the Allied invasion of Normandy. The serial number range of
pistols that could not be delivered was 10501-38500. These pistols were returned to Spain where
they were used by the Spanish Government. The pistols that were delivered all have German
Military acceptance stamps located on the right side of the frame just above the serial number.
Model 600 production was terminated in 1945 with pistol # 59546. Serial numbers 38501 to
59546 were placed in stock by the factory and eventually sold to the West German Government.
Your pistol, serial number 55587 was in the batch that could not be delivered to the Germans in
1944. Value for model 600 pistols that have German acceptance stamps are quite good, when I
see them for sale at gunshows, prices are usually in the $750 + range. Values for pistols that were
not delivered to the Germans are much lower, they usually sell for $350 or less depending on
# 15035 -
Sandia Die & Cartridge Ammunition
Sandia Die & Cartridge -
Larry, Columbus, Ms
Have an old box of Sandia Die & Cartridge .30 Carbine 108gr (50 rounds) and wonder about the
value to a collector.
Larry- I don’t think these have any
special collector interest. Sandia Die and Cartridge is still in business (as of December 2014) and
was founded in 2010, so the ammo is not that old. It is likely one of the many ammo making
outfits that sprang up in recent years in response to the Obama gun grab panic buying. John
# 15091 -
Where To Find A Value For An Iver Johnson
Iver Johnson -
Model X -
22 Cal. -
jim st francis mn.
where do I find what this worth?
jim, try checking some
of the gun auction web sites for Iver Johnsons that are similar to yours. My favorite site is Gun
Broker at www.gunbroker.com. When you visit an auction site,
you will probably find that some sellers ask unrealistically high prices for their items. Most of the
time overpriced items do not sell, the only results that really have any meaning are for items that
Another good resource is S. P. Fjestad's Blue Book of Gun Values, you can purchase a copy
online at the following link: http://bluebookofgunvalues.com/
Hope this helps. Marc
# 15030 -
Civil War Starr Carbine Serial Numbers
Percussion Carbine -
21 Inch -
John, Perth, WA, Australia
The serial number 9089 is listed on the paper work supplied by Auction company, however on
inspection I have noticed the action serial number is proceeded by the number one on its side (ie
lazy 1 9089) and the under barrel serial number has the number one under the listed numbers
(ie 9089/1). Just checking to see if the serial number could be 19089 or the number one could be
the letter ''i''
John- The only Starr carbine I ever
owned was one I bought while still in high school a very long time ago, and I don’t recall
anything about them. Either 9089 or 19089 are plausible serial numbers, well within the range of
military issued Starr carbines, but there is no historical data on either one of those numbers. It is
possible that the lonely “1” was some sort of subassembly “match” number, but I think that the
placement makes it very unlikely that it is part of the serial number. If the auction house in
question deals with a lot of Civil War carbines, I would be pretty sure they got he number recorded
correctly. John Spangler
# 15029 -
Winchester 94 With Brownish - Copper Color Finish
The metal is a brownish copper color? Looking for a value, and answer to the color of
Sir- Your rifle was made shortly after the
change over in 1964 to cheaper production methods with more stamped parts and crappy
stamped checkering. The steel used in Model 94 receivers from 1964 to 1982 were some sort of
oddball stuff that does not respond well to traditional methods to “blue” them. The exact type of
metal is subject to debate, as is the best way to end up with a nice blue black color that matches
the original factory finish. If the usual gunsmith “hot blue tank” process is used the result is usually
an ugly purplish color. I suspect that this is the cause of your unusual color finish.
The most often recommended solution is to use the spray on “Gun Kote” type finish, and you can
either do that on just the receiver, or the whole gun if you like and the cost would be very modest.
Since the rifle has almost certainly been refinished already, you will not hurt the value, but the
results may be more pleasing to look at. As far as value, I see refinished post-1964 Model 94s at
gun shows priced around $300-450 retail. John Spangler
# 15087 -
Belgium's Personal Guards Handgun?
Belgian Browing. -
Model 1910 -
Don't Know -
Matthew, Topeka, Kansas
On top of the barrel there is a crown and the letter W. Was told this was the queen of Belgiums
Personal Guards handgun right before Germany invade. I was just curious if it's true and if the
model was correct. I can send photos if it will help. Thank you for any help.
Matthew, I was a little skeptical about your Belgium personal guards
story so I did a quick Google search and found a "List Of Belgian Consorts" on Wikipedia, at the
following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Belgian_consorts. None of the ladies on this
list have a name that starts with "W". The W and crown markings on firearms that I am familiar
with were used to denote the weapons used by the military of Queen Wilhelmina of the
Netherlands (or Holland). The most common one is the FN Model 1922 made in 380 caliber or 9
mm kurz or short. Queen Wilhelmina reigned over the Netherlands from 1890 until 1948. I suspect
other weapons such as rifles might have been marked with the W crown marking also.
# 15081 -
American Eagle Luger With 8.82 Marked Barrel
7.65 Parabellum -
FRAME# 44167 ''GERMANY'' BARREL
Jim, Floyds Knobs, In.
American Eagle stamp and Script DWM across top. This pistol has a grip and thumb safety. Frame
serial number and barrel number do not match. The barrel has an 8.82 designation stamp below
the serial number which other web sites indicate a 9mm chamber but this gun will not accept a
9mm round. The 7.65 Parabellum round will chamber. Any idea what the discrepancy represents
and should I take it to a gunsmith before firing? Do I have a piece of junk or a collector? Fit and
finish are very nice.
Jim, I would definitely take this
pistol to a gunsmith to determine caliber before firing it. The fact that a 9 mm round will not
chamber is a good indication that this pistol is, not 9 mm. A ruler with a millimeter scale laid
across the muzzle to measure the bore diameter will confirm this. I just looked at the Simpson's
Limited website. They have many American Eagle Lugers for sale. The Model 1900's and Model
1902's have a small locking piece attached to the right side of the knurled cocking piece on the
toggle. The Model 1906 does not have this small locking piece. The Model 1900 American
Eagle was only made in 7.65 caliber but the 1902 and 1906 American Eagle pistols were made
in both calibers.
On the Simpson Website they have pictures of the American Eagle pistols for sale. None that I
looked at had the caliber stamped on the barrel. This agrees with my own personal observations
that commercial Luger barrels are usually not marked with the caliber. The serial number was
also placed on the barrel right at the base, not closer to the muzzle as is seen on the military
Lugers we usually see.
If the serial numbers on the barrel, side plate, upper and lower receiver do not all match then the
gun would be considered a "shooter" by collectors, and the value is considerably reduced.
# 15028 -
Winchester Model 52D Target With Left Hand Stock
Model 52 -
Peter, Rochester, New York
Competition left hand hand hole maple stock. I can't find any info on this target rifle in left hand
from the WINCHESTER sights, and the Winchester 52 perfection in design book.
Peter- I cannot find any indication that
Winchester made any Model 52s with left hand thumb hole stocks. In fact, they only made about
750 rifle with thumbhole stocks, designated the International Match or International Three
Position. However, smallbore target shooters were very active in customizing rifles to meet their
preferences, and I am pretty sure that both right and left handed thumbhole stocks were offered by
Al Freeland and other sources catering to target shooters. I think even Fajen might have
provided some thumbhole stocks. Undoubtedly it is a fine shooter, although some of the later
52D triggers were reportedly troublesome. Hope that helps. John
# 15080 -
Model 70 Caliber
Pre 1964 Mod 70 -
Question Don` Know -
rudolph c jimenez
what cal is this can't find any data on gun.
iterations of the Pre 64 Model 70 were marked in two locations to designate the caliber. The first
location should be on the left hand side of the barrel. The second location is on the bottom side
of barrel, which requires removal of the stock to view. This location will typically contain a
shorthand description of the caliber and the year of manufacture of the barrel.
If the barrel on your rifle does not contain these markings it is likely that it has been rebarreled.
This practice was (and is) not uncommon because many believe the Model 70 action to be the
apex of bolt action style rifles. Joshua Wade
# 15024 -
A.B. Steiner Muzzle Loading Rifle
Flintlock / Caplock -
David Maple, North Judson, Indiana
Receiver face engraving of men in tricorn hats hunting pheasant Inside trigger mechanism
initials A. B. Steiner Inside trigger number 76. Lea I am the 5th generation in my family to own
this gun. I am hoping to find out when and where it was made. This would also help me in my
family research. I was told it was originally a flintlock but it looks like it was converted to cap lock.
Any information you can give me would be very much appreciated. I can send some pictures if
this would help. email email@example.com
Sellers’ “American Gunsmiths” lists A.B. Steiner as working in Bushkill, PA, [probably actually
Bushkill Center, which is a different place with a similar name] circa 1860 as a lockmaker
supplying the large gun making operations of the Henry family in Boulton, PA, now part of
The photos you provided confirm that the style of this rifle is mid-19th century, circa 1850-1870,
which matches Steiner’s date of operation. The lockplate is strictly a percussion style, and it was
never a flintlock. The Henry family made rifles for sale across a wide area of the mid-Atlantic
states, and it could have been originally purchased in Pennsylvania or Virginia. It is nice to see it
stay in the family where it can be appreciated. Frankly, similar guns are fairly common and tend
to bring only very modest prices (probably in the $200-350 range for one like yours.). These were
mainly small game hunting guns, or perhaps for deer as well, but no longer needed for
protections from Indians.
For family research, the website Ancestry.com has a wealth of information and is well worth the
modest fee to join. Hope that helps. John Spangler
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