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# 15681 -
SCHMEISSER .22 (5.4mm) 1912 SEMI-AUTO RIFLE
Steve Pawnee, Illinois USA
Model 1912 -
.22 Or 5.4mm -
Some type of crest and crown with a B stamped under the crown. Also under the barrel has S S 193
under forearm stock. I am looking for any information, I believe this is the only gun known of in the United
States and only the second in the world. I know that one was sold in a rare gun auction in the UK. Just
trying to locate information of price of the rifle due to its extreme rarity. Thanks Steve
Answer: Steve- Sorry, I cannot find out anything at all on this gun based on the
information provided. Perhaps someone who knows more about .22 rifles would recognize it, but nothing
registers with me. What little I did find out was that this had some similarities to a Savage rifle of the same
era, but nothing useful beyond that.
I see you are in Illinois, which makes any sort of gun activity difficult. However, if you are anywhere near
or can get to Galesburg, about halfway between Peoria and Moline, you should take it into the folks at
Collectors Firearms there. They are pretty sharp on German guns of all types and may be able to help.
# 15724 -
Bryan Ratliff for
Fabrique D Armes De Guerre De Grande
Engraved. I am looking for a magazine for this gun
Answer: Bryan, we
do not have the parts that you need. Recommend you check with Gun Parts Corp (the old Numrich Arms
people) at the following URL:
Gun Parts Corp has just about everything. If that doesn't work, try posting it on our free "Wanted" page at
the following URL:
Good luck, Marc
# 15719 -
I got this rifle from my grandfather after he passed away, I believe its a Mauser or some type of knock off.
Can you help me identify it?
Answer: Richard, with only the serial
number, I am afraid that I can not be of much assistance. Suggest that you take the rifle to the next
gunshow in your area and ask some of the dealers, they should be able to help.
# 15680 -
kenny maurepas la
this musket has no serial no. or manufacture name on it. it was made by hawkens between 1815
Answer: kenny- Hawken rifles are a collecting and research
specialty that I do not get into. I do know that these were primarily for use by the emigrants heading west
across the Great Plains and buffalo hunters. For these uses, and defense against possibly hostile Indians
or outlaws large calibers were preferred, and barrels much shorter and handier for horsemen than the
rifles carried by frontiersmen advancing from the east coast across the Appalachians to the Mississippi
River Valley. Larger loads and use on horseback also resulted in much sturdier Hawken stocks than the
slim and graceful “Kentucky” long rifles.
Most Hawkens were used hard, and nice examples are hard to find, especially ones made by Samuel and
Jacob Hawken in St. Louis. As a result it is not unusual that their designs were copied by other makers,
and sadly that scoundrels in recent years have engaged in fakery by adding spurious Hawken markings.
Also, several replica Hawken rifles have been made for the shooter market and those sometimes acquire
the look of age and have been passed off as originals. If yours have a nice blue finish, I suspect it is one
of the replicas with modest value as a shooter. If an original, they tend to bring pretty good prices, perhaps
in the many hundred to few thousand dollar range. Hope that helps. John
# 15713 -
JC Higgins 22
tom, Charleston, SC, USA,
JC Higgins -
Bolt Action Single Shot.....model # 10318 -
App. 20¨ -
NONE THAT I COULD FIND -
name and model number on top of barrel I purchased this rifle for $30, and every gunsmith I have been to
said they couldn't make a firing pin for it (it had a piece of spoon handle in it for the pin...don't know if it
worked, as I preferred not to try it). I finally just took an old planer blade and the dremel and made one that
works very nicely. How would I go about replacing this with the proper pin? Any info on the rifle would be
nice...and why is there no serial number on it?
Answer: tom, prior to the
1968 gun control laws, it was fairly common for inexpensive rifles and shotguns to not be serial numbered.
I have a sneaky suspicion about why no gunsmith could make a firing pin for you. First, you have to
remember that gunsmiths have to pay bills and feed their families just like everyone else does. Now
calculate how much time it took you to fashion your firing pin from an old planer blade, I would guess at
least two hous, probably longer. Now let's times that two hours labor by $50.00 (a ridiculously low hourly
wage for a highly skilled craftsman). Viola! You now have a $100 firing pin without even figuring in the
cost of materials, did you say that you paid $30 for the rifle? To find a replacement firing pin try checking
the Gun Parts Links and Addresses section on our links page, Good Luck...
# 15678 -
JAMES BEATTIE HORSE PISTOL
James Beattie -
Horse Pistol -
11 Gua -
7 '' -
2306 2293 -
Damascus barrels, exposed hammers, not percussion Hello I am trying to establish the value of several
guns in my family`s collection and can`t find any info on this gun. Would very much appreciate any info you
can give me on it`s approximate value. It is in good to very good shape. Thank you. Dave H
Answer: David- I am afraid we cannot be much help with this
one. Values vary considerably in different countries due to differing laws and attitudes towards firearms
ownership and licensing, and also varying collector interests. Also, it is impossible to submit photos via our
Q&A submission form so we don’t have any way to see photos of the item(s) unless you contact us using
one of the “contact” links on the page and get info on how to submit photos. (We got tired of all the spam
we were getting when photos were allowed).
About all I can tell you is that James Beattie worked at 205 Regent Street in London from 1835 to 1865. He
made fine quality boxlock percussion pocket pistols with folding triggers and percussion pepperboxes. He
also made percussion naval pistols with swivel ramrods and belt hooks and I suspect that is what you
have. In 1865 the company became J. Beattie & Son, which in 1879 became Beattie & Company. John
# 15710 -
Black Widow Luger?
Robert, Carol Stream, IL USA
barrel: small eagle on side, ditto top with 655, bottom has serial number XX12 & 8.82 Frame: stamped P08
left side, stylized r (?) under serial number, importers mark Receiver assy: 2 small eagles 655 underneath
one larger eagle all front right, above chamber marked 41, toggle marked byf All parts marked 12 (last part
of serial number ?) breechblock marked with small eagle Magazine: FXO eagle with 37 underneath (twice)
P08 black plastic bottom Coming from England have just realized a small dream and now own a Luger ! The
gun is in 70% condition, may have been re-finished in the past but shows some wear to the bluing. Has
black plastic grips with unbroken vertical grooves. Are the grips and/or magazine original ? Any information
as to when made and possibly issued gratefully received. ! I suspect at $380 I've got no great deal, but this
is the first one I found ! I think your site is splendid and provides much information and entertainment. Please
keep encouraging people to join the NRA and their local organizations I can't stress enough that what has
happened in England WILL happen here unless everyone stands up for their rights.
Answer: Robert, I am glad to hear that you were able to purchase your first Luger, I am
afraid that the first Luger that I ever purchased was in worse condition than the one that you are
describing. When I bought my first Luger the condition didn't matter that much to me, I just wanted to have a
Luger, I am afraid that I have been going down hill ever since. If you are going to collect Lugers I would
advise you to purchase and read one of the Luger collector books. Datig's The Luger Pistol and Jones's
Luger Variations are both good. As for the information that you requested, your magazine was
manufactured by C. G. Haenel, Waffen- u. Fahrradfabrik, Suhl, FXO was their WWII Ordnance Code. The
XX12 r stamping is your Lugers serial number (most WWII Lugers have a four digit serial number followed
by a letter postfix), the 12's stamped on the various parts are numbers that match those parts to the rest of
the pistol, 8.82 is the bore size in millimeters. Your Luger was manufactured in 1941 by Mauser, the 41
stamped on the chamber is the year that your Luger was manufactured and byf is the WW-II German
ordnance code assigned to Mauser-Werke, Oberndorf am Neckar, Germany. The eagles over 655 are
military acceptance stamps 655 being the German WW-II Heerswaffenamt inspector's mark on arms
produced at Mauser Werke AG, Oberndorf am Neckar, Germany. I am not sure about black grips with
vertical grooves. Some byf code Lugers came with black bakelite grips that had diamond checkering (much
like ordinary walnut grips) and fxo magazines with a black bases. Mauser (byf) Lugers with black grips
and black magazine bases are commonly called Black Widow Lugers...
# 15677 -
M1903 SPRINGFIELD FINISH ORIGINAL?
Alex, Bountiful, UT
174 and 162 stamped on stock near the butt plate (one underneath, the other on the side of the stock).
Barrel is dated 10 - 8, and is marked SA with the bomb symbol. The barrel date and serial numbers match,
so they are likely originals. The finish is a matte black -SC- is this correct for the original finish? Also, there
is no Proof mark (P within a circle), or any inspector initials-- is it possible that the stock is original even
though it lacks any cartouches besides the two numbers (174 and 162)? Thanks very much for your
Answer: Alex- Your rifle was made about 1918-1919 and
probably had a dark gray parkerized finish when new. A matte black finish does not sound original to me.
The stock should have had an inspector’s cartouche and circle P when it was accepted for issue. The lack
of those marks indicate the stock is not original. The 174/162 sound like rack numbers, but may be from a
military unit, a movie prop rental outfit, the local Veterans honor guard or some other inexplicable source.
None of these help the collector value, but it probably has value as a shooter since it is a “high number”
with the improved heat treatment.
Since you live in Utah, you should take it to one of the Utah Gun Collectors Association gun shows at the
Weber County Fairgrounds in Ogden (January, March or October every year). John
US Springfield -
Trapdoor Carbine -
Don`t Know -
My question is why does my carbine have 1863 on it and I can`t find it in the books but when I type in the
serial number it says it was made in 1886. Also has a VP on the barrell.Butt plate US. On the head of the
trigger guard has an A. Has a raised sight that you can move up and down or side to side. End of the barrel
has a ring around the sight
Answer: Debbie- It sounds like you have a
.45-70 trapdoor carbine which should have a 22 inch barrel. If your measurement of 20.5” is taken on the
outside of the barrel instead of from the face of the closed breech block to the muzzle that would make it
about 22 inches. The serial number 341366 is in the midst of a run of documented carbines, so that
checks out. The only anomaly seems to be the lockplate which is from a Civil War musket. However, the
Model 1861-65 locks are identical to the later .45-70 trapdoor locks in the shape and used the same internal
parts, so the locks physically are interchangeable. The Civil War lock plates are about 1/8” thicker than the
trapdoor locks, so if a trapdoor hammer is installed on an earlier lock plate it will not be centered on the
firing pin, but close enough that it would work.
My guess is that someone lost or broke the lock on your trapdoor carbine, and had access to one from a
musket and used it instead. The Civil War locks were also used on the Model 1865 to 1870 trapdoors with
only the hammer changed, and those would line up okay for use on a .45-70, but the hammer would have
sort of flat and beveled contours instead of the rounded streamlined shape of the .45-70. The “ring” around
the front sight is probably one of the hoods made for the carbine, secured to the sight by a screw running
right to left and can be removed if you like.
# 15711 -
Wats It Worth?
dan -u- town pa
NOT SURE -
ships on chamber wats it worth
Answer: Dan, my crystal ball is not
working today and you did not provide enough information for me to even guess an answer. Could be an
old Colt, could be one of the many reproductions, could be something else.
# 15709 -
Luger Holster Compartments
9 MM -
4¨ (?) -
Lower case letters ¨byf¨ on top of carriage. Number 9994 on left side of barrel above side release lever,
numbers 94 at various other locations. Number 41 at top of barrel where it meets the main housing. Eagle
emblem and ¨655¨ on opposite side of from 9994. Leather holster stamped Carl Hepting & Co., STGT
As you can tell, I know nothing about guns. Found your page doing a search on
Lugers. Pardon me for stupid questions. I enjoyed the other Luger questions, though. First of all, what is
the little compartment in the top of the holster for? (Not the one for the magazine, but a much smaller one,
sort of triangle-shaped.)Secondly, is the gun worth much (should I ¨keep¨ it, or take it out plinking). Gun is
mint except that an engraved name C.F.SMITH on the side of the body, which I'm sure lowers the value. The
holster is very good to excellent, some scuff marks. I even have a magazine with ¨old bullets¨ (some have
non-discernible markings but a clear 1942 stamped on the rim. It has been recommended to me that I not fire
any old ammo. How do I dispose of it? Thanks!
Answer: Ed, I don't think
that your questions are stupid, I remember asking one of the same questions years ago when I acquired my
first Luger holster. The small compartment in the top of your holster is meant to hold a magazine tool.
Magazine tools are shaped somewhat like a small letter " t " with the ends of the horizontal bar rounded and
the top of the vertical bar bent at a 90 degree angle, In the center of the cross there is a hole that is fitted
over the magazine charging button to aid in depression of the magazine spring while charging the
magazine. The long end of the vertical bar has a slotted screwdriver tip that is used to aid in removal of the
firing pin. You can usually find original magazine tools at gun shows selling for around $125.00, repros sell
for less. Unfortunately the name that is engraved on your Luger will drastically affect it's value. Values for
Lugers like yours in "mint" condition are in the $2000 - $2500 range but the name will lower your value to
$700 - $750, your holster is worth $125 - $150. You can dispose of your old ammo by sending it to me.
# 15663 -
ROLLING BLOCK CARBINE ID
1886 Rolling Block Carbine -
.43 Spanish ? -
SADDLE RING, CROWN IV AND 32 STAMPED ON BARREL YEAR MADE, COUNTRY EXPORTED TO AND
Answer: Tim- Everyone is familiar with the Remington
rolling block system but specifics get really vague because of the very large number of countries which
used them, some made by Remington, and many others made under license (or sometimes without benefit
of permission) in other countries. The U.S. Army and Navy used some, also the Papal Guards in the
Vatican, the military of many countries in South American (e.g.- Argentina and Uruguay), also the countries
of Honduras and Mexico in North America. Most Scandinavian countries along with Spain, Egypt, and even
Japan used them, along with some of the colonial forces in Africa.
Since yours has a 19 inch barrel and a saddle ring, it is obviously a carbine, not a rifle or cut down rifle,
which narrows the possibilities somewhat.
The caliber may be .43 Spanish, but there are also examples made in (or converted to) .43 Egyptian, .43
Mauser or 11mm Mannlicher.
The best reference on all of these is George Layman’s “The All New Collector's Guide to Remington Rolling
Block Military Rifles of the World” but I cannot locate my copy right now to do any further research. The
crowns sound Scandinavian or Spanish. Value will depend on condition and exactly who is was made
by/for. John Spangler