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# 14663 -
McKeever Cartridge Boxes- 2nd Vs. 3rd Model
15113 MCKEEVER .45-70
I have looked at your similar items for sale and concluded that my cartridge box matches your
sale item 15113 . It is marked Watervliet Arsenal. The box has a well defined US in circled
stamp. The leather seems to be intact, with some distressing on the front. There has been no
cleaning or polishing. All the webbing is intact. The box contains 7 45-70 carts. These are marked
WRA CO. The only difference from your sale box photo is the absence of the washer on the
fastening pin. It does not appear there was a pinned washer on the box. This box came as a
component of a rifle, 1973 Springfield, with strap, bayonet, and bayonet case that could be
carried on a belt. Bayonet case is market with a brass US escheon on the belt strap, the bluing is
nearly intact. All parts are complete including cleaning rod. I was told this gun was used as a
parade rifle and never fired. It has been in my care for over 50 years. I have been suspicious that
the Box was not of the same era as the 1873 rifle. Is there any way to confirm a range or approx
mfg. dates for the cart. box? And the rifle?
Your box sounds like a perfectly normal, unaltered “Third Model” McKeever box, the only
difference between that one and the one on our page is that ours is the “Second Model” which
had the brass reinforcement around the tab to hold the box closed.
Your rifle, 58543, sounds like a nice gun. It along with the other accoutrements you describe all
sound like normal original Indian War era items, although date probably range from the late
1870s to early 1890s, but close enough for government work. John
# 14783 -
Another What's My 94 Worth
Matthew, Williamsburg, Pa
Model 94 -
Not Sure -
Don't Know -
I purchased this rifle at an auction and was wondering what it may be worth
Answer: Matthew, I think the best time to find out how much an item is worth
is before you spend your hard earned money on it. I don't have much use for auctions as a buyer
because they seem to have a way of getting people to spend too much money on things. When
the time comes for me to sell, of course, that is another story.
Your Model 94 was manufactured after 1964 so collectors will not have much interest in it. I see
post 64 Model 94 Winchesters, like yours, selling at gun shows at prices ranging from $150 to over
$400 depending on condition. Hope that you didn't spend too much.
# 14659 -
Name On British Gun Is Maker Or Seller?
Stanley Peterborough, engraved on top barrel flat, engraved side locks and hammer, rudimentary
sights, well made overall. Is it possible to determine who made this gun, was it Stanley of
Peterborough or a proprietary gun maker probably to be marketed by wholesalers eg Stanley of
Peterborough. Many thanks.
Answer: Sir- That is an excellent
question. In the British gun world, it is very common to find names on guns but difficult to tell if
the name is the maker, or the seller. Many sellers, often very high end ones, would arrange for a
maker to turn out arms marked only with the seller’s name. This was always good advertising, and
such sellers were often suppliers of a broad range of merchandise. Think of them as being
similar to a Cabelas or other major sporting good retailer where you can buy your gun,
ammunition, the latest fashionable garments and boots for your hunt, maybe some cooking and
camping gear, some food and probably a few other things you just have to have to show your
good taste and wealth while enjoying a bit of sportsmanship afield.
Back to the gun at hand. I was unable to find any entry for Stanley or Peterborough as a maker.
Under Peterborough (the place in England) there was no Stanley listed as a maker Baily & Nie’s
British Gunmaker.s I had no better luck in the three volume Heer Der Neue Stoeckel listing of
makers. Therefore Stanley is, in this case the seller, I presume. John
# 14782 -
Remington Model 30
Terry G Jr.
Springfield 30-06 -
REP DE I want to find the date of manufacturing and its possible value! I don't want to sell it but
would like to know the story behind it! Just pure educational reasons. Thank you!
Answer: Terry, the Model 30 was the first high-powered bolt-action sporting
rifle produced by Remington. After the end of WWI, Remington had a large stock of military
M1917/P14 parts remaining in inventory. The Model 30 was Remington's attempt to turn a profit
on their surplus parts by making them available to the commercial sporting market.
Although the first Model 30 rifles were manufactured from surplus military parts, modifications
were made as production progressed and later rifles were made with newly manufactured
commercial parts. Most early Model 30 rifles were chambered in the military .30-06 caliber that
was used in the M1917, but as time went on, rifles became available in a wide variety of
chamberings. Remington produced the Model 30 from 1920 to 1940, total production was
22,730. You can use our OldGuns.net manufacture dates program to find the year that your rifle
was manufactured, there is a link to the program on our menu bar.
G6919, stamp on barrel ma 1937, France on receiver with some other letters, all parts are marked
with g. How to check whether its authentic and what is value?
Answer: Beau, I am not sure that I understand why you would have cause to
think that your rifle may not be authentic. I have never heard of this model being counterfeited.
Since collector demand is not high, values for these never seem go much over about $500. I do
not think that there is much incentive for people to waste their time manufacturing fakes.
# 14656 -
Old Muzzle Loader Long Arm
Jackie Finger, Kelleys Island, Ohio
Don't Know -
Has warrentied on it possibly ashmore? or ashmo__? warrentied has name possibly tiler leinger
on butt of stock on name plate. trying to find history of my gun, it is marked 1828 on name plate,
have not found serial number, just started to examine last night. Has been in my family for many
decades, have 3 revolutionary guns in family this is the one I have access in my
Answer: Jackie- I regret I cannot tell you much
about this without seeing some good photos. It is always good to see old family pieces remain in
the family where their history and that of their ancestors can be appreciated and honored. About
all I can tell you is that Ashmore was an English maker of locks, and they were imported in huge
numbers for use by American makers for much of the early 19th Century. John
18876/13049395`G and 18876 - 3049323-M on a 42'' long, 23 Lb, blue finned aluminum &
stainless steel, fired, inert, two piece ''Eject Missile'' (from a 1980`s Amry AMDF). Photos
available. Mistakenly removed from a FT Gordon, GA Multi-Purpose Range (tank area) by a
young Supply Clerk in the mid 1980`s. What is this beautiful deep blue aluminum, heavy piece of
Answer: Bill- I saw you also posted this on the
British Ordnance Collectors Network, (http://bocn.co.uk) which is an excellent resource for
questions like this. It appears that you have what is essentially a solid aluminum dummy object
intended to simulate the weight of a Stinger missile. When troops are training on use of the
Stinger, the training version will fire an ignition charge which expelled one of these dummy
“eject missile” slugs in lieu of an actual missile. A neat item, and totally inert. John
# 14776 -
Austin, Picayune, MS
American Arms Inc. -
Made In Spain -
12 Gauge -
Engravings on Nickel and lever to crack barrel. I Was wondering if I can get a value on my
American Arms Inc. 12 gauge shotgun. It is a single trigger over under it also says made in Spain
and has 12/76 on it. It is in perfect shape I only shot it once when I got it.
Answer: Austin, as I told the last shotgun question person, our main focus at
FineOldGuns.com (OldGuns.net) is military firearms. We sometimes list sporting shotguns for sale
in our catalogs but we do not have a lot of interest in collecting them and are by no means
experts in this field. This is why we ask people to not send us shotgun questions. You must have
missed that part of the instructions or ignored our request.
Since I do not know much about shoguns and I have never heard of American Arms Inc., I did a
quick Google search and I came up with the following answer at:
http://www.ask.com/question/american-arms-inc. American Arms Group Inc. makes specialty
assault rifles. They also make gun parts and accessories. They have an online version of their
catalog available on their official website. Hope this helps.
# 14772 -
T-14 Holster & Spare Mag
Chris La Mirada CA
My inquiry concerns the standard holster that came with the pistol. If these weapons were issued
with two magazines - where did the one not in the pistol go? I see no location or place on the
holsters interior or exterior or description of separate. Mag pouches. Thanks for your ideas.
Answer: Chris, your question is a good one, it is not obvious
where the magazine fits in a T-14 holster from looking at it. The magazine actually goes on the
inside of the holster, it lays along the bottom edge, which is the same edge that the seem is on.
Hope this helps. Marc
# 14654 -
Spencer M1865 Carbine From The 1st Cavalry?
Mike, Lakeville, MN
Spencer Carbine -
20 Inch -
''L TROOP'' 1 st CAVALRY on top of stock ahead of butt plate. EAW and DAT cartouche on left
side of stock behind saddle ring. Top of breech has SPENCER REPEATING RIFLE CO. BOSTON
MASS PAT` D MARCH 6 1860 M 1865 ahead of breech on barrel and behind the rear site.
Serial number 12008 Is there information somewhere to validate whether this carbine did in fact
belong to ''L TROOP'' 1st CAVALRY as it Is stamped into the top of the stock just ahead of the
butt plate? Was it a common practice to do this and if so, in this location? Where is a good
source to find out more of this carbine's (year of manufacture, military travels, etc)
Answer: Mike- I saw the photos you posted over on the
cascity.com website, and the numerous replies there.
I agree that the markings look to be old, and are in my opinion authentic. However, my opinion
alone does not count for much without some facts to support it.
The easiest step is to see if this gun is listed among those for which the Springfield Research
Service has found any records in the National Archives. It is not listed, nor are there any records
at all for M1865 Spencers with that unit.
The next job is to see if Troop L of the 1st Cavalry ever had any M1865 Spencers. While I like
MacAulay’s U.S. Military Carbines and his well researched summaries and occasional listing of
“after action reports” on different arms, it really does not help in our search.
The best source for details on what each unit had, and when, is from the Army’s “Quarterly Report
of Ordnance and Ordnance Stores” if they have survived. You could go to the National Archives
and dig through them yourself, but fortunately Dusan Farrington already did that and provides
transcripts of the data in his massive and superb Arming and Equipping the U.S. Cavalry 1865-
While not all records have survived, he does include ones showing that in 1866 and 1867 Troop L
of the 1st Cavalry had 58 .50 caliber Maynard carbines while at Camp McDermott, NT [sic-
probably Camp McDermitt, Nevada on the Oregon border]. The other Troops of the 1st had .52
caliber percussion Sharps carbines. In their Fourth Quarter report for 1870 all of the 1st Cavalry
had M1865 Spencers, and Troop E also had 15 .50 caliber Sharps. Troop L had 4 of the Sharps
carbines and 92 Spencers, but the geographic locations for the units are not noted. A year later
when the Fourth Quarter report for 1871 was submitted, Troop L of the 1st was at Camp Apache,
Arizona where they reported 74 M1865 Spencers and 84 .50 caliber (metallic cartridge) Sharps
carbines, and nearly the same (but with 4 fewer Sharps) on the 1872 report. There is no specific
information about when the Spencers were dropped by Troop L, but in the 4th Quarter of 1874
they reported having 70 .45 caliber Springfield carbines, and were then located and Fort Walla
So, we know that Troop L of the 1st Cavalry did indeed have M1865 Spencer carbines in 1870-
72. Your markings appear correct and original. I am not aware of other examples of markings
from the 1st, although I have seen markings from some other cavalry regiments, and we could
expect to find them on other arms or accoutrements of the period. Perhaps they exist, and are
just not widely known. However, there is always the possibility that some talented faker has been
busy, although they usually seem to focus on high demand and high profit stuff from the 7th
As far as general history of Spencers and production information, Roy Marcot’s definitive Spencer
Firearms is your best source.
Hope that helps. John Spangler
# 14647 -
Winchester Used By Steam Ship Company?
Larry, LInn Creek, MO USA
R.N.SS Co stamped on top of barrel I was told by the seller that the gun had been owned by a
steamship company. IS there any way to tell who the gun was sold to or what the markings mean?
Answer: Larry- Sorry, we cannot
help with that. Cody has shipping records which would show the configuration when shipped, but
do not record to whom the items were shipped. If you got a Cody letter with a shipping date, that
might give a starting point to search for “R* N* Steam Ship Company” that was in existence at
that date or afterwards. It may be an oceanic shipping company, or even a river boat company,
given your location, but I have no idea. John Spangler
Remington Arms Co. Inc. Arms Works Ilion N. Y. Made in U.S.A. Patents Pend. I want to know
which model could be because there is no more information. Thank you.
Answer: Costa Rica, you did not give me much to go on. If I knew the type of
action that your rifle has, I may have been able to guess the model (or maybe not). The most
common types of rifle actions that I encounter are bolt, lever, semi-automatic and slide (or pump).
Here are some brief descriptions that I hope will help you to identify what type of action that you
Bolt action rifles have a bolt handle on the side which is lifted, pulled to the rear, returned to the
front and locked down to cycle the action.
Lever action rifles have a large handle or lever that pivots out from the bottom to cycle the action.
Semi-Automatic rifles have an action that is cycled by the force generated when a cartridge is
fired. They fire once and reload with each pull and release of the trigger.
Slide or pump action rifles have a grip called the fore end which slides back and forth to cycle the
Hope this helps. Marc
# 14762 -
I Was Shot With It In 1953?
PA 36166 -
Where could I find a Value? I think it was manufactured in 1932 because I was shot with it in
Answer: You have a dramatic method for determining the
manufacture date of firearms. I can not imagine how your method works, but since Model 51
production ceased in 1927, it seems to be slightly inaccurate.
As I mentioned above, Remington manufactured approximately 65,000 Model 51 pistols from
1918 to 1927. The Model 51 was available in both .32 ACP and .380 ACP calibers. In the
opinion of many experts, the Model 51 is the finest pocket automatic pistol ever made. The
workmanship is of extremely high quality, and the pistol is well-shaped for instinctive shooting.
The design utilizes a delayed blowback system to reduce the recoil force, making it pleasant to
The Model 51 has a grip safety also acts as a cocked indicator, if the grip safety is flush with the
grip, the pistol is not cocked, if it stands out from the grip, the pistol is cocked. The safety catch on
the left rear of the frame can only be set to the safe position when the hammer is cocked.
Model 51 production called for very precise machining and fitting of intricate components.
Unfortunately, there were not sufficient buyers prepared to pay the extra cost which was required
to build this complicated design so production was discontinued.
In answer to your question, I think that the best place to find a value for modern firearms is
Fjestad's Blue Book Of Gun Values, copies are available online from Amazon.
# 14641 -
Greene Rifle -
1857 Under Hammer -
35 Inches -
Bolt action under hammer .53 caliber marked Greene patient 1857 This rifle is in mint cond.
looks to have never been fired. Also have bayonet for it. Looking for information on rifle and
value. Any help would be great. Thanks Larry
The Greene rifle is a pretty cool weapon, and a legitimate U.S. military collector item. It is the
FIRST bolt action and ONLY model of underhammer rifle ever adopted for U.S. military use.
Also it is the ONLY one ever adopted with Lancaster’s patent rifling that looks like a smoothbore,
but is actually rifles with a sort of oval shape instead of having sharp edges defining the deeper
and shallower parts of the bore. These were made by prolific U.S. military contractor Asa H.
Waters of Millbury, Massachusetts circa 1859-1860. The action was invented by U.S. Army
Lieutenant Colonel J.D. Greene. The U.S. Ordnance Department bought 900 of these which
were delivered in March 1863 and a small number were probably bought by some states as well.
It is believed that some of the latter may have been used at Antietam in September, 1862. In
addition, 3,000 were purchased by the Russians, although little is known about the details of that
transaction or what happened to the guns. But, it would be an excuse for a collector of Russian
arms (Mosins, Berdans, etc) to add a Greene to their collection.
The Greene is a breechloading rifle, but used percussion caps for ignition. They used a unique
paper cartridge with the bullet loaded backwards compared to most Minie Ball paper cartridges,
with the base of the bullet at the rear of the powder charge. To load the Greene, you would take
a cartridge and break off the powder part of the cartridge and throw it away. Then, put the Minie
ball in the breech and close it and use the bolt with its push rod to seat the bullet at the front of
the chamber, engaging the rifling. Then take a second cartridge and insert it into the breech,
powder end first and Minie ball at the rear. With the bolt closed, the bullet against the face of the
bolt helps seal the breech. Cock the hammer and place a musket cap on the nipple at the front
of the trigger guard and you are all set.
After firing, use the push rod in the bolt to move the Minie ball from the rear of the chamber to
the front of the chamber. Then open the bolt and load another paper cartridge, close the bolt
and add the musket cap and you are ready for a second shot.
The Greene bayonets are pretty rare too, looking very much like a standard Model 1855 in the
blade and socket, but the locking slot is a very shot straight slot and the locking ring is located
against the rear edge of the socket, and the blade is stamped J.D.G.
Other than the write up in Flayderman’s Guide and in Reilly’s U.S. Military Small Arms 1816-
1865, there is relatively little written on these, except for an obscure monograph “The Nye-Terry-
Greene Breech-loader Complex” by Eldon Wolff from the Milwaukee Public Museum.
Value is hard to determine, but sales prices seem to run around the same as the ubiquitous .58
caliber rifle muskets in comparable condition.
Hope that helps. John Spangler
# 14761 -
Spanish S&W Copy
No Indication Noted -
38 Long Colt -
4.5 Inches -
Several markings but in Spanish. Top of barrel in caps is, FABRICADE ARMASDE BENITO
GUISASOLA EIBARESPAN. On Cylinder there are numbers 91. On Frame left side were barrel
joins is letters PN. The Frame has 5 screws. I appears to be a early copy of a Smith Wesson.
Where and when was this pistol made, and was this model used by the Spanish
Answer: I have not been able to find any information
on this particular manufacturer. It sounds like you have one of the many Smith and Wesson
copies which were imported into the United States in the first half of the 20th century. Spanish
Smith and Wesson copies often had a logo that was similar to the real one used by Smith and
Wesson. One theory is that the similarity in logos was intentionally intended to deceive the
unwary buyer into thinking that they were actually purchasing a real Smith and Wesson.
You should be warned that although workmanship may (or may not) be superb, Spanish Smith
and Wesson copies have a reputation in general for making use of low quality, steel which may
not be strong enough to handle modern day high- pressure loads. My advise would be to retire
this weapon and not fire it.
The police departments that I am familiar with do not procure nickel plated sidearms for general
issue as duty weapons. This makes me doubt that yours is a standard issue police service revolver.
4 Barrel Derringer -
Silver Barrel, Copper Color Gun -
25 Cal.? -
3 In. -
I have4 a 4 barrel derringer gun. On one side it says C. Sharps patent1859 on the other side it
says C. Sharps@Co. Philada. Pa. I would like to know the price of it? it's in very good shape. The
trigger rotates to each chamber each time it's pulled back. Any info would help out thank-
Answer: Roger- Value for these usually are rather modest,
in the few hundred dollars at most range. There are a lot of them out there, and we have
answered questions on them many times. Use the search tool on the blue menu strip at the left of
the page to search our Q&A archives for our previous answers which have lots of history on these.
# 14635 -
1903A3 With Chromed Parts
David, Banner Elk, North Carolina
U. S. Remington -
23 5/8 Inch -
There are seven different circles and squares with numbers inside located on both sides of the
lower portion of the receiver. I recently acquired a Remington 03-A3 with serial number 3987391.
It is in very good condition except for the stock, which was cracked and patched. The stock has a
washed blonde finish. The bolt carrier group, trigger, trigger guard and floor plate assembly are
all chrome polished. Can you tell me the history on this rifle? Is this original finish for
parade/formal occasions, or is it an after-market finish customization?
Answer: David- I have no information on this rifle. I am positive that when it
was delivered to the U.S. Army it had the normal parkerized finish. My guess is that it later got
sold off as surplus, or donated to a veteran’s group and at that time it had some parts chrome
plated to make it fancier for use by a color guard or drill team. Unfortunately, that hurts the value.
But, as long as the barrel and receiver have not been plated, the other parts can be found with
original finish and the rifle restored at modest cost. John
# 14770 -
Try Our Manufacture Dates Link
Dan Medford Oregon
I Was Wondering How I can Find out what Year The Rifle was Made.? It was owned by My
Grandfather. And I will Probably be looking to Sell it sometime in The Next Year if You are
interested. Thanks so Much for Your Time.
Answer: Dan, the
Winchester Model 75 was manufactured with the same barrel length, and trigger pull length as
the model 52 but it was 22 ounces lighter than the Standard grade Model 52. The action was a
military type, developed especially for this rifle. The Standard box magazine held five .22 long
rifle cartridges. Barrels were 28" long, with a diameter at the shoulder of approximately 1". The
Model 75 was available in Sporting Rifle and Target Rifle configurations. The Sporting Rifle
came with a 24 inch round barrel and select walnut checkered pistol-grip stock and forend. This
rifle was furnished with either open rear sights or a Lyman 57 E receiver sight. The Target Rifle
configuration had a 28" round barrel with plain walnut pistol-grip stock and forend. The Target
Rifle was furnished with either a Winchester 8-power telescope or a variety of target sights. The
Model 75 was discontinued in 1958 with about 89,000 sold.
Values for Model 75 rifles range from around $200 to over $1400 depending on configuration
and condition. Values for rifles that have been re-finished are about 1/2 or less the value of a
Model 75 rifle in the same condition that has not been re-finished. Let us know when the time
comes to sell.
To find the date of manufacture, please check the Winchester manufacture dates link on the
FineOldGuns.com menu. Hope this helps. Marc