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Wood stock holster that attaches to the back of the gun to make it a stock. Pieces of this gun have a certain number on them, that shows me that it is a prototype (all are numbered the same). I would like to know some information, I think this is a pretty rare gun, and would like to have a 2nd opinion. Thanks for any help you can give me!
Hugo Borchardt was born in Germany, at the age of 16 he immigrated to the United States, and became an American citizen. Borchardt worked in the US as an engineer, and in the early 1880s returned to Germany where he joined the Loewe Company.
A good deal of Borchardt's work in the US had been with firearms, his most notable design being the Sharps-Borchardt rifle, Borchardt continued to work on firearm designs in Germany until his death in the early 1920s. Borchardt took out the first German patent on his pistol on 9 September 1893.
The Borchardt pistol made use of a clock-type recoil spring that was housed at the rear of the frame, and the same toggle lock mechanism that was later to be used in the Luger Parabellum, it was the first automatic pistol design to place the magazine inside the grip. A shoulder stock was provided which clamped on to the rear of the frame and turned the pistol into a self-loading carbine. Although the Borchardt design was somewhat awkward, the grip being at almost a right angle to the frame, and the recoil spring housing at the rear of the frame having too much overhang, it was a brilliant piece of mechanical design and was regarded with considerable respect by gunsmiths of the time.
The original development and production of the Borchardt pistol was done by the Ludwig Loewe company, but the majority of production was done by DWM (Deutsche Waffen and Munitionsfabrik). The Borchardt pistol was first offered for sale by Loewe in 1894, pistols produced by Loewe are marked on top of the chamber 'Waffenfabrik Loewe Berlin', 'DRP 75837' on the toggle, and on the right side of the frame 'System Borchardt Patent'. After 1 January 1897, the markings were changed, DWM was engraved on the right side of the frame, but the patent number was retained on the toggle. Borchardt pistols were mainly offered in one configuration, with a 6 1/2 inch barrel, 8-shot magazine and chambered in 7.63mm Borchardt. It is rumored that towards the end of production, a small number of Borchardts were chambered for the 7.65mm Parabellum cartridge, and a few (possibly only one) were chambered for a special 9mm Borchardt bottlenecked cartridge. Production of the Borchardt ceased some time in 1899, when the Parabellum (Luger) was ready to go into production. Borchardt later made some attempts to improve his pistol, but by that time, the design was obsolete. Total Borchardt production was about 3000, 1100 by Loewe and 1900 by DWM.
Blue Book values for Borchardt pistols range from $3700 to $12,000 for pistol alone, and can go as high as $2,3500 for examples that are cased and come with accessories. Let us know if you are interested in selling. Marc
I was looking through my local gun shop's wares and came across an 03A3 'type' rife. disregarding the chopped military stock, it was all W.W.II US GI 'cept for the receiver... it be sayin' "SANTA FE" with a serial number in the 5 million range. Dis one 'o dem "NAT ORD" type jobbers? where and who made 'em. If its a casting ... it sure is lean and nice and tight unlike the national ordnance receivers I've seem.
HELP!!! Does anyone have the configuration of the sling for a 1917 Enfield. I purchased an original sling but there it came in pieces and I have tried several times to get the thing installed but yet to have any luck. There is a long strap with a rectangular loop at one end and a spring clasp at the other. There is also an identical config on a strap 1/3 the length of the long strap. Both straps are accompanied with another "free" rectangular loop and another metal piece that I assume is to hold a doubled strap together. 20Thanks in advance, Vic
6ft in length by 3ft wide. Red background with black swastika in center in a white circle. There is also a eagle with spread wings holding a swastika in a wreath in the upper right hand corner. The flag may be larger as I didn't get a chance to measure it. It did appear very large and it appears to be unissued. It also has German writhing down the left side with rope to attach to a pole. I found this flag in a antique shop and the owner is asking 200.00 dollars. Is this to much and what type of flag is it? Thank you! Russell Poynor
If you don't want to buy it at $200 I guess it is too high a price for you. Fair market value is whatever a willing buyer and a willing seller agree on. The next guy in the store may think it is a good deal. The next store you go into might have one for sale at $20. How bad do you want it? Just be careful about fakes or repros in Nazi stuff. John Spangler
1916 with crown and fabrica de armas on receiver,1924 oviedo armory stamp on stock with big R, military type rear tangent sight I would like to know what I have, caliber, use history, or places to look. thank you
inside lock is the number 3 with a symbol above. The symbol looks like the letter 'M' but decorative almost like a crown. On butt under the plate was craved VII. This pistol is an old flintlock. I believe it is a horse pistol. Round 12 inch long barrel. Walnut stock with brass plates and trigger guard. The brass looks like it was sand/hand cast. The bolts and screws look hand forged. Age I would guess late 1700's early 1800's. Question: Where can I find a listing of gunsmith marks for USA and Great Briton for this time. Would you have any guess on what I have?
DeWitt Bailey and Douglas Nye "English Gunmakers" is the best I know of on English makers. There area a number of articles in Gun Digest over the years covering proof marks which may be helpful. There is also a book or two specializing in gun markings, but they seem to be more useful for cartridge era arms.
Sorry we cannot give you anything better than that for reference material.
However, the best way of identifying old flintlock pistols is by their design features. With some good photos and close-ups or rubbings of ALL markings, we can probably make a pretty good guess for you. Send to me at Box 711282 and we will see what we can find out. Let us know if you want to sell it, because we can help with that too. Hope this help; John Spangler
I have a old percussion rifle . On the top of the barrel is marked " J. Chismore " The lock is marked " WARREN ALBANY " , under the barrel is marked P & S Remington. D o you know anything about J. Chismore ? If so any dates, history, value range ?
I can find no mention of J. Chismore. However Albert Chismore worked in Osagatchie, NY circa 1850; Ogdensburg NY circa 1850-1882 according to Franks Sellers' "American Gunsmiths."
Philo and Samuel Remington were sons of Eliphalet Remington, founder of the Remington Arms Co. The sons were subordinates in the arms business from about 1839 until about 1866 when Philo became President of the company. Remington had a thriving business making barrels for sale to gunsmiths to assemble into complete rifles with the reminder of the parts coming from other sources or being made by the gunsmith himself. I suspect that the sons may have been given the barrel making portion of the business prior to taking over higher positions in the company. I would estimate the barrel to be circa 1850-1860. Roy Marcot's book on Remington is due out any day now and should answer a lot of questions about this under appreciated company.
Value of non-descript percussion rifles is rather modest for their age, usually in the $200-400 range depending on overall attractiveness and condition. Heavy target rifles will bring a bit more and famous makers will run even higher. John Spangler
I am in the possession of two (2) Smith and Wesson Revolvers (see photo) Serial # 17489 & 18661 . These pistols have tags attached which tell a very short history where they were acquired. Serial # 17489 I can't make this tag out very well but it says something to the effect that it was used in the battle of the big horn against Gen. Custer and was owned by Setting Bull with a date of Jun. 25th, 187x Serial # 18661 This one is much more legible and says:>> This Smith and Wesson Revolver (the tags are reversed and belong to the other pistol) No. 17489 Cal 44 Was used and Owned by Setting Bull and also by his son White Bull and was used in the Battle of Little Big Horn Custer Massacre Crow Reservation Montana June 25, 187 (I can't make out the last digit) Sold to Clyde O. Taylor Oct. 21 1937 By. Silent B. Smith << I believe the two tags say pretty much the same things. Any information on these pistols would be appreciated , If they are what the tags say they are I will send the cost to have them authenticated. I also have a Colt Peacemaker serial # 301163 which the tag claims it was owned by a Mrs. M. E. Burk a.k.a. Calamity Jane. If you could forward this information or tell me who to contact to find out about this.
Your Colt Single Action Peacemaker was made in 1907, according to the neat program at the bottom of our links on the left side that will look up dates of manufacture for a lot of guns. Calamity Jane died in 1903. Obviously there is an error or deception somewhere. I do not know what model S&W revolvers you have, but "Custer guns" have been a very lucrative items for sale to eager and gullible buyers for many years. I would be highly suspicious of anything offered with alleged "Custer" provenance. In fact I am so skeptical that I do not think I would EVER buy anything claimed to be Custer related. I don't know if S&W will reply without a fee. You might contact Jim Supica by email at OldTownSta@aol.com. He is author of the best book out on S&Ws, and has one of the best collections around of early S&Ws. I am sure he can look at your photo and serial numbers and tell you instantly when they were made. He has also written some excellent commentary on guns with alleged "pedigrees." Fine gentleman. Good luck. My recommendation would be to invest in a lot of good books and read them carefully before buying any more guns. Flayderman's "Guide" would be a great start. John Spangler
I recently inherited a Model 67 bolt-action 22, -engraving says 22 short long and long rifle Made in USA Winchester Repeating Arms Co-could not locate serial #. Any clue as to how old this gun is. Is in very good condition- what kind of value would it have.
I have an M9 Bayonet with the markings of "M9 PHROBIS III US PAT.PEND. The only problem is I broke the blade and am now trying to get a replacement blade. Can you help me?
Years ago our father was given a small black-powder handgun that he was told was a Derringer of the type that John Wilkes Booth used to assassinate Abraham Lincoln. This gun has "Liverpool" engraved on the top of the butt and the name "T. Wilson & Co." We would like to find out the origin of this gun, its approximate age, and possibly its value as a collector's item.
If you send some photographs (get as close as you can and get shots of everything) to me at Box 711282, Salt Lake City, UT 84171 I will do some more research. There may be some proof marks to indicate country of origin, and the details of workmanship may point out a specific maker.
Another explanation may be that it has no resemblance to the Derringer used to kill Lincoln, but is something else which we could identify.
By the way, a distant ancestor of mine was one of the conspirators with John Wilkes Booth and got him into the theater and held his horse during the shooting. Spent several years in prison. John Spangler
My father brought this pistol home with him from WWII. He recently passed away, and I would like to learn some more about this gun since it is now mine. Also, if there are any good sources for parts for this gun, I would be very grateful to learn of them. I especially need another clip for it, and one of the grips is broken. Thank you very much for your time and information.
I have a real old gun. It has the words U.S. Norfolk stamped on one side of the breech. On the other side of the breech there seems to be a 186. It looks to be pre civil war, but I have no clue what kind of gun it is. It also has a C.W. etched into the side of the gun. There is a W on the stock of the gun. Please, if you have any info on this type of gun, contact me. Thanks!
If this is still in original configuration with 40 inch barrel, three barrel bands and stock running to within about 3 inches of the muzzle, it is a good collector item worth several hundred dollars or more depending on condition. If the stock and/or barrel has been cut down and the rifling removed to turn it into a shotgun for post-war farmers to shoot varmints, then you have about $100-200 worth of parts or a good decorator item for over the fireplace.
If in original configuration we would be glad to help you sell it. John Spangler
Patent dates (ca Civil War) are clearly visible on top of barrel. Circa 1882-69. The gun is in excellent condition with some abrasion on the barrel and a very little tarnish on the revolver assembly. The brass trigger assembly and walnut grip is in perfect condition. My father owns this pistol and several other guns of this vintage. This gun was owned by "little old lady" school teacher who carried it in her purse for personal protection while traveling between her schools in Kansas and Oklahoma. We are looking for information on manufacturer and any details about the history of this type of gun. Approximate value would be appreciated
J.M. Cooper & Co was located in Pittsburgh from the 1850 to 1864 then in Philadelphia from 1864-69. They made a total of about 15,000 pistols all very similar. They were either 5 or 6 shot, in .31 or .36 caliber, and barrels were 4,5, or 6 inch. Trigger guards and backstraps were either iron or brass. The .31 caliber models were called "pocket model" while the .36 were called "Navy model" The .36 caliber models were only made after the move to Philadelphia, Frankford being a section of Philadelphia.
Your pistol falls into the "Philadelphia Second Model Navy" category. Flayderman lists the value for this in NRA antique "fine" condition (see our links for definitions) as $900. IF much better than that, then the price would be higher. While these do not have the collector interest of old Colts or Remingtons, they are popular items. Hope this helps. If you decide to sell any of these we would be happy to help find them good homes. We have information on some of the ways to sell these at http://oldguns.net/CnsgnSale.htm John Spangler
I have a 1884 Springfield Trapdoor 2 band with bayonet. Very good to excellent cond. Was wondering what it might sell for.
Flayderman lists value for standard M1884 rifle in NRA antique very good and excellent as $400 and $1150 respectively. (See our links for definition of conditions). Bayonet adds another $50-100. Condition is very important.
Dealers normally buy at 60-70% of what they expect to sell an item for. We handle consignment sales for a fee of 20% of the actual selling price. We have more info on consignment sales advantages and disadvantages at http://oldguns.net/CnsgnSale.htm and would be glad to handle sale of this on consignment if you desire. John Spangler
I would like some info on a S&W. I bought it from a deceased estate. The chap was 97 and from the US. I don't know any more about him or where he got the gun from.
It has the "US" stamp on the barrel. What does that mean. Has the New Generation/ Lemon Squeezer seen any military action. I gather from you previous replies to others that they are quite good little guns. Most of the info seekers seem to have versions with a longer barrel. Mine is only 2" long.
Secondly, what would the value of a BSA .303 (circa 1892) be. My great grandfather used the gun during the Anglo-Boer war in SA. He later got a Lee Enfield from a Brit on the battlefield. (At the peace of Verening a town in the old Transvaal, they had to hand all the weapons to the British. He kept the BSA) I understand that the BSA was used as a hunting rifle until the war in 1998 and all the men were called to join the commandos. The used whatever they could get as fire arms.
I also own a old Martini Henri-rifle. No marks on the rifle and I've never fired it. It takes a single bullet which is big by today's standards. Its from the same great-grandfather.
What advice or info can you give me regarding these arms. Thanks for the help, Lehandre
While it may be a life saver with the 2 inch barrel, as a collector piece it is almost fatally flawed now.
If the 1892 BSA is a Magazine Lee Metford Mark I or Mark I* in original configuration (full length stock and barrel, not cut down for hunting) I think there wound be a great deal of collector interest and the value dependent on condition. I would estimate that it would sell in the $500-1500 range in the US. The history certainly adds a great deal of interest
Martini Henry is probably .577-450. Neat old guns, but values tend to be relatively modest.
I don't know what the South African gun laws are like, but I would think there would be great interested in the rifles there. John Spangler
On top of the barrel it says" Address Col Sam'l Colt New York U.S. America. On the barrel it says " Colt's Patent , No. 46447". also on the barrel there is a faint picture , It looks like some people sitting in a boat, in front of a wheel (paddlewheel?) On the side of the gun it says Colts Patent. the #'s in front of the trigger on the steel part are 2 sets the 1st sets are 246447, the trigger and handle frame is brass and the #'s are 245643, those #'s are also on the butt of the handle, on the brass part. , also on the side, on the brass it says 31 cal. The handles are walnut, one piece. Is this a replica, or real one, It looks right, but I'm just a dumb female, so please bear with me. I would appreciate any info and a value on the real thing and replica.
The cylinder scene is hard to understand unless you have seen it clearly reproduced in print. It actually shows some good guys in a stage coach defending themselves against bandits. Presumably this is accomplished with one of Sam Colt's products. The "stagecoach holdup" scene is found on the Model 1849 "Pocket Model" .31 caliber revolvers. There are many minor variations in barrel lengths and markings, trigger guard style, etc. A long out of print book "Colt's Variations of the Old Model Pocket Pistol, 1848-1872" by Shumaker is the best current reference. However, two new researchers are well along on a new book on the subject.
Flayderman's "Guide to Antique American Firearms and their Values" is a very worthwhile investment for info on these an current prices. This will run about $32.95 at your local book dealer or you can get it on the net.
A typical value for a common variation in NRA antique good condition (see our links for definition) will run about $500, while one in fine may run $1200-1500. Modern made copies are widely available and often cost less than $300. Some have been sold as originals with or without any faking of markings, etc, so be very careful. Get a bill of sale from the seller stating that is an original made circa 1849-1872, and guaranteeing full refund if it is determined to be otherwise.
Your serial number indicates manufacture in 1863 and these were popular privately purchased weapons carried by many soldiers. Hope this helps. Hope you find gun collecting to be an interesting hobby. John Spangler
Gentlemen, I have recently acquired my IH M1 through the CMP. All parts are original to an IH rifle. Would this be considered one of the more desirable collectors or is it run of the mill? I wonder about its value due to the fact that few if any IH or H
Would like any info you may have as to when manufactured, and app. value if poss.
There is quite a bit of interest in collecting these old "Boys' rifles." I could not find a specific listing in a value guide, but would estimate in the $125-450 range depending on condition. John Spangler
Do you have a chat room and what is the connection. If not can you give me a good chat room where I can talk to individuals about serious firearm collectibles. Thanks for any info.
My strong recommendation is to invest in GOOD reference books and study carefully. While the books may not be infallible, you will get a lot more and much better info from them than from a bunch of folks with computers and time on their hands and absolutely unknown qualifications to say anything about collectable guns.
A lot of people think we know what we are talking about, and we have many years experience in our fields, and huge libraries to draw on. In a chat room our opinion would be equal to someone who just "knows it all" and once heard someone else tell them about a friend's cousin who used a Winchester 1894 .30-30 with a brass frame to shoot a deer at 800 yards with a 5/16 bolt stuffed into a .45 Auto case filled with Bullseye. And, of course, they have turned down $32,857.00 for that rifle, but want to know what it is worth. It is like new, except for the broken stock, cut down barrel, 9 extra holes for sights and scope mounts, but all that is tough to see since Bubba redid it with cold blue and some camouflage paint on the stock. On the bright side, they will be glad to answer your questions.....
You can spend a lot of time listening to stories or read a good book. You decide. We will be glad to sell you some books, but many of the best are still in print and can be purchased through Amazon .com or some of the specialized gun book dealers (IDSA in Piqua, Ohio, Rutgers in Highland Park, NJ, John Denner in Canada, etc). Good luck. If you act quickly Santa may even bring a couple of books. John Spangler
Well, I'll list them all for you: On the right side: On the frame near the rear of the gun just above the grip, there is a small crown with what appears to be a stylized "CP" below it. On the barrel/chamber assembly, there are four stamps. The first is the crown described above, the next two are a set of Nazi eagles with the number 63 below them. The last is a Nazi eagle grasping a swastika. Finally, on the barrel, towards the rear, there is another eagle w/swastika. On the left side: Just above the turn-down release lever to disassemble the gun, the serial number is stamped. The number 09 is stamped on the lever itself. Just behind the release lever, the number 09 is stamped onto a plate (this plate pops off when field-stripping the weapon). Just behind the plate on the frame is stamped the number 2. On the left of the forward toggle segment is a Nazi eagle w/swastika (same size as the one on the barrel on the right hand side). On the top and rear: Directly behind the barrel the number 1939 is stamped. The small crown described above is stamped on the forward, middle, and rear segments of the toggle. The letters "byf" are stamped into the middle segment of the toggle, along with 09. The number 09 is also stamped into the rear of the toggle just below the sight, and into the frame just below the rear of the toggle. Elsewhere: The serial number is stamped into the front of the trigger housing, with a script "t" below it. On the underside of the barrel the following appears (starting closest to the trigger and moving down): 8,81, then the serial number, then a small picture which is hard to distinguish (possibly an oil dropper or something) with the letters "NP" below it, then the following line: 9M/M .752" 13 TON You'll have to excuse me if I ask some obvious stuff, I'm not too experienced with preservation or collecting really. We've had this gun forever, and I was just recently looking into it. First off, I was wondering about the approximate value of the weapon. Unfortunately, there is pitting all over the gun: especially on the barrel, frame, and trigger. The toggle and chamber seem to have escaped it. Since I'm not an expert, I can't rate the finish for you, but if I had to guess I would say it's probably 70-75%. I can say that it has not completely worn off at any point, save where the pitting has occurred. All of the serial numbers match, including the magazine (the only one I have is the one that came in the gun). The grips are dark wood, with a checkered design, still very clearly defined, and with a "Bullseye" on either side app. even with the trigger. The weapon still fires (quite well I might add, and very accurately), although after reading a few of the postings on here, I think that I will stop shooting it to prevent any further wear. Secondly, I was wondering about the "new" American Eagle Lugers. I really like the Luger I have, and if I am going to stop taking it to the range, I would love to have a replacement for it. Despite the age of its design, it has to be one of the best 9mm pistols I have ever fired. If you have any words about the new Lugers, I would like to hear them. Third (and finally), what can I do to prevent further pitting and other damage to the gun? I would like to preserve it from this point on, and if you could offer any advice (or recommend publications), I would appreciate it.
I have a Remington 22 cal. with a hex barrel and a thing that people are calling a rolling lock action. It also has a lever that when turned the barrel and butt come apart. Have you ever heard of such a creature? The serial number is J248005 22, is it worth anything or do you know any information about this gun??? Like what year was it made and is it military or just retail??? Stuff like that, any information that you have would be greatly appreciated.
I got this rifle from my Grand Father and was wondering what the value of it. It has a pat of Oct 14, 1884 and under that it says Jan 20 1885. It has an octagon barrel and on the barrel in front of the breach is 40-82. It is in excellent shape.
Approximately how many of these rifles(just M14s in general)were made? Were the M14R and M14 1/2 models available in all the grades (A, C, D, and F)? Are there many M14 collectors?
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I am struggling to find info about an antique Japanese gun manufactured about 300 years ago. It is known (I believe) as a matchlock and is a 20 mm. I am willing to pay top dollar for an original. Does anyone know anything about such an item? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jason
I inherited from my father a 32 CAL break open (tilt-down) automatic which was taken from a high ranking German officer during WWII. My father told me that he believed it was pretty valuable because his limited research (years ago) appeared to indicate that many of this specific model were not produced and/or not in circulation. I have been told that the pistol was made by the Oesterreiches Waffenfabriks Geselschaft, Steyr (The Austrian Weapons Factory Inc) Steyr, Austria and may be a model of 1909. The barrel length is about 3.5 inches (1.75 inches of which extends past the trigger guard). It has a 7 clip magazine and is black or dark blue in color. Aside from the manufacturer's name on the frame it has the following markings: a stamp "N. PIEPER PATENT', a stamp PAT.No.9379-05 No.25025-06 u No.16715-08, a stamp PAT.* No. 40335, a stamp 22231, and a stamp11 with what appears to be a small official crest next to the 11. There is also the word STEYR and a crest on both sides of the grip. The firearm appears to be in excellent both aesthetically and functionally. I am interested in your assessment of its value and any information relating to potential purchasers.
Steyr manufactured pistols can be easily identified by their markings: 'Pat No. 9379-05 u No. 25025-06' on the upper left side of the barrel block; 'Oesterr Waffenfabrik Ges Steyr' on the left side of the receiver; 'Pat + No. 40335' on the right side of the barrel block (the + indicating a Swiss patent number); and 'N Pieper Patent' on the right side of the receiver. Models made after 1911 had another patent number `No. 16715-O8' added to the left of the barrel block. A useful feature of the Steyr marking system is that the last significant digits of the year of manufacture are stamped on the left side of the barrel block, just ahead of the frame.
Manufacture of the Steyr Pocket Model pistols was suspended in 1914, resumed in 1921, and continued until 1939.
There is not a large demand for Steyr pocket pistols, blue book values for examples in excellent condition are in the $200 to $250 range. Marc
Pat. mark on right side of frame above trigger"Pat. Sept 19 1871 July 2. 72 Jan 19. 75"Top of barrel stamped"Colt's PT.F.A Mfg Co Hartford Ct USA" From the information I have given you, can you tell me what year this weapon was made? There is no obvious marking on it other than the patent date. I am hoping you can tell by the serial number. Thanks.
If it is factory original nickel, and not refinished (many, if not most, have been because the nickel flakes easily) in .45 it would be an attractive collector item. If in through 95% with no buggering of screw heads, good bore, god grips, etc, and no replaced parts you are probably talking about $4,000-$6,000. If it has problems, price can drop considerably, but still it is probably at least $1000.
It may be worth getting a "factory letter" from Colt, but these do cost about $300 now.
There have been a lot of Colt copies made, some have been faked up and sold as real Colts, and refinishing and "improving" old Colts has been epidemic. These are not worth as much as the un-messed with real thing. John Spangler
None that I can tell. I recently purchased the above gun from an old man who lives nearby. I was in the process of recording the information related to this gun in my records and I found that I was not able to find the serial number. This may sound stupid, but can you tell me where the serial number is supposed to be located on this firearm? This is a very accurate rifle and is capable of chambering .22 Shorts, Longs, and Long Rifles cartridges. I hope that someone didn't remove the number. I appreciate your response. Thanks, Russ
Your Remington may not have ever had a serial number. The Remington 550 -1 was manufactured from 1946 to 1971 (and thus prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968 which imposed the requirement that all guns be serial numbered). It is not uncommon to find guns manufactured before 1968 , especially 22 rifles and inexpensive shotguns that were not numbered. Have fun shooting your newly acquired 550-1. Marc