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# 13663 -
MBA Gyrojet Firearms
Dan - Aptos, CA - USA
MB Associate -
GyroJet Pistol -
12 Mm Or .49 Caliber -
I own a 12 mm GyroJet pistol manufactured by MB Associates in the 1960s. Unfortunately, the
mechanism that locks the slide in the forward position is missing. I am in need of a source to
purchase this locking subassembly, or would appreciate any source where I can get the original
engineering drawings, with measurements, so I can have one made. I would also like to know of any
source for owner's manuals for this firearm. Thanks in advance.
Answer: Dan- The Gyrojet arms and ammunition are a fascinating bit of arms
history. Their key feature is the ammunition which was basically a small rocket with a primer so it
could be “fired” when a trigger is pulled. Since the projectile was a rocket with the propelling charge
inside, instead of depending on gas expansion within the barrel as in regular ammunition, there was
virtually no recoil. The Gyrojets were made in pistol and carbine models with many different
Although marketed as a “space age” innovation, the concept is very similar to the Hunt “rocket ball”
or the similar ammunition used in the Volcanic arms that were the predecessor of the Winchester
lever action arms.
There is very little reliable published information on Gyrojets other than a few articles in gun
magazines of the early 1960s. However, that is about to change!
My friend Mel Carpenter has the definitive book on everything related to Gyrojets and MBA
Associates nearly ready for the publication. It is mind-boggling to see the full scope of this story,
and the numerous innovative ideas they tried- some successfully, others not so much. When this
book hits the market, I highly recommend everyone interested in arms history get a copy to learn
The bad news is that I do not know of any source for repair parts or literature at this time.
# 13850 -
Jim And The Dark Side
Jim Minerva Ohio United States
Buffalo Scout -
22 Long Or Short / 22 Mag. -
Who makes this gun and what is the value with the original box and both cylinders. I can purchase
this for $200.00 just not sure about it. Buffalo Scout single action revolver 22L,22S,22Mag. Made
Armif.LLi Tanfoglio Garoone V.T Italy Model TA 76. Also I have a Texas Ranger Model Tex 22 Cal.
L.R. Fie Miami Florida any help would be appreciated.
Answer: Luke (sorry I mean Jim), you seem to have an attaction to the dark
side (the lower end of the .22 revolver market) lucky that you checked with us before you blew your
$200. There is no collector interest in Buffalo Scout revolvers, and the quality of materials and
workmanship used to produce them is questionable. The last one that we had at OldGuns.net went
for $40 and we were happy to see it gone. My advise would be to turn away from the dark side and
get a better quality gun. $200 will put you a long way towards the purchase price of a good quality
revolver like a Ruger. Obi-Wan (Marc)
# 13760 -
Remington Rolling Block
Dennis, La Porte, IN
1927 Rolling Block -
22 Short -
I am looking for an estimated value of this rifle. It does work. It was described to me as a 1927
Remington Rolling Block 22 rifle with octagon barrel.
Answer: Dennis, I don't believe that Remington ever manufactured a model 1927
rolling block rifle. There were three rolling block models were offered in .22 short, the No. 4, the No.
6 and the No. 7 so your rifle is probably one of those. Out of these three rifles, the only one that
had a 20 inch barrel was the No. 6, unless your barrel has been cut down, you probably have a No.
6 rolling block rifle.
The No. 6 was a take down design, it was manufactured from 1901 to 1933, total production was
about 500,000. Rifles were available in 22 Short, Long or Long Rifle and also in 32 Short or Long
rimfire calibers. The No. 6 was intended to be a boy´s rifles it was designed with small dimensions.
Early No. 6 rifles had a color case hardened receiver, this was changed to a blue finish on later
models. No. 6 rifles were also available in smooth bore. No. 6 values range from about $200 to over
$650 depending on condition and caliber. Rifles chambered in .22 Long Rifle are the most valuable.
# 13662 -
Prussian Musket In Iowa
Approx 41 Inches -
Don't Know -
SEE SPECIAL MARKINGS BELOW -
Butt Plate has markings: 20648 and 111580 and 1833. Top of butt plate and rear of trigger guard
has what appears to be a 10 or a line above a zero. On the side of the butt is an impression of a
crown above the letters FW. On the barrel is a stamped marking of FW and 1833. Power Horn
with patriotic marking that include a date of 1846 and Eplubibus and liberty. I would like to know
manufacturer, history of this type of gun as I do know my great grandfather owned this gun and the
information will add to his history. There is an article in our home town (in Iowa) saying my great
grandfather (one of the earliest settlers crossing the Mississippi River) only owning his musket and
Answer: Jim- The markings sound like those found
on the Prussian muskets which were imported for use during the Civil War. These are originally old
flintlocks made in the 1820s or 1830s and later converted to percussion. During 1861 most nations
in Europe emptied their arsenals of all sort of obsolete arms as Union and Confederate buyers
engaged in bidding wars to obtain enough arms for their large, and largely unarmed, armies at the
start of the Civil War.
I do not know the date when Iowa was settled, but I think it was prior to the Civil War, so that casts
some doubt on this musket being available to accompany your great grandfather at the time. The
powder horn markings may relate to the date it was made, or be a later item with the dates
commemorating some event.
My gut feeling that that this may be a case where your ancestor owned a rifle and powder horn when
he went to Iowa, and that he may have owned this rifle and horn, but they are not necessarily the
ones he owned when he traveled to Iowa. It is quite common for oral histories to be confused like
this over the years. John Spangler
# 13648 -
American Arms Co. Wheeler .22 And .32
American Arms Co. -
Wheeler's Patent Over/under Derringer -
32 Ball And Cap -
3 3/8'' -
Can only find this gun in 22&32 rimfire. My gun is a Ball and Cap. Spoke with other Collectors and
they have never seen this gun. Stated maybe it's a prototype. Help Please!
Answer: Wayne- Flayderman’s Guide to Antique American Firearms and their
Values has the answers to most old gun questions. Wheeler’s derringers used a double barrel,
“swivel breech” type design, where the barrels would pivot around a central pin to expose the
chambers for loading or to rotate the barrels to firing position. About 5,000 of these were made circa
1866 to 1878 by the American Arms Company of Boston, Mass. Of those, the ones with one barrel
in .22 rimfire and the other in .32 rimfire are the most common with about 3,000 made. Some of
those has “birds head” type grips and are very scarce, while the more common version has a flat
bottom grip. A very small number (maybe 50) were made with both barrels in .22 caliber. Another
1,500 were made with both barrels in .32 rimfire. Some other variations in .32 or .41 rimfire are
known and possibly some in .38 rimfire. Flayderman lists your combination type as worth about
$275 in NRA antique good condition or $850 in fine. John
I have been searching to find any reference to this rifle. Where and when was the rifle made and is it
Answer: Ken, references indicate that Mauser
type sporting rifles were marketed under the Gecado brand name by Dornheim of Suhl, Germany
between WWI and WWII. Dornheim was one of Germany's principal wholesalers of guns and
hunting goods during that time period. The business purchased by Albrecht Kind in 1940. The
Gecado rifles were invariably made elsewhere but I have not been able to find any information on
who the original manufacturer was or the quality of the rifles.
# 13759 -
High Power ''wba140'' Markings
Mark Kansas City, KS
Fabrique National D`Armes De Guerre -
WBA140 with Small Nazi proof. The character at the end of the serial number looks like a
lowercase a, but I can't really tell what it is. I bought this from a friend who claims that his father
brought it back from Germany. Finish is a little rough, original grips and it functions. I'm curious
about the ''WBA140'' markings and anything else about this pistol.
Answer: Your Browning High Power was made at the FN factory in Belgium
sometime in 1943 for the German army. The 140 under an eagle is actually the weapons inspector's
stamp (waffenamt), not a proof mark. The proof mark will be an eagle over a swastika. The pistol
should have matching serial numbers on the right side of the barrel, the slide and the frame. Grips
should be checkered wood. These pistols were issued as standard sidearms to the German army
right up until the plant was overrun by the Allies in August 1944. They are eagerly sought after by
World War II collectors. Marc
# 13639 -
Belgian Percussion Pistols “Simon Au Havre”
Eugene, Bethlehem, Georgia
Percussion Cased Pistols -
.50 Cal Ball (muzzle Loader) -
Approximately 8'' -
ELG mark on the Barrel and inscription ''Simon Au Havre''. Cased percussion pistols with intricate
inlays and rifled barrels. I am curious about the inscription ''Simon Au Havre'' and manufacture of the
pistols. I have been able to determine that the ELG mark indicates Belgian manufacture but do not
know anything beyond that. thx.
Answer: Eugene- This
sounds like a nice pair of pistols, being cased and all. These are probably what most people would
call “Dueling Pistols” although in the pre-revolver period it was considered a good idea to have more
than one gun handy for home defense or in your pockets when traveling the unprotected roads, so a
“pair” of pistols was not always for duels.
Simon au Havre is not a name I know anything about. “Havre” is Frogspeak for “harbor” with a
French city of that name, but also other cities around the world incorporating it in their names, such
as Havre de Grace, Maryland. This is probably a case of a dealer named Simon selling guns in
Havre, either the French city or at a harbor location in a French speaking settlement. I would bet it
is for the French city, but cannot be certain. John Spangler
# 13622 -
Gun Used By The Dalton Gang?
Lori, Blaine, WA
Forehand Arms Co,Worcester,Mass Pat'd Dec-86 &Jan 11,87 My great Grandfather claims he took
this gun from the Dalton gang in Beloit, Ks. He was a sheriff back then and his name was John P
Cochran. I was wondering if there is any validity to this story, (he has long passed away) and if the
gun is worth anything to collectors?
Answer: Lori- Collectors
really seem to like guns with connections to famous or notorious individuals. Some will “buy the
story”, while others “buy the gun.” A lot of the value will depend on how strong the historical
connection is. A verbal attribution based on a long ago statement from a deceased ancestor has
some weight, but not a whole lot. A notarized statement made by an individual with first hand
knowledge about where the gun came from helps more. Any police records or court documentation
that list a gun by serial number and a specific crime or event is almost positive proof.
However, the market is strong for these “historical” guns, although buyers tend to range from picky
folks who want proof before paying big bucks, to gullible suckers who can be sold just about any
story with a gun to go with it. (Hey, wanna buy George Washington’s M1911 .45 automatic that
Gen. Custer used at Little Big Horn and was then stolen by Bonnie and Clyde? It’s a real steal at
Your gun is probably nickel plated, not stainless. Without the story, it sounds like one that might
bring $100 or so, but with the story, who knows what people would pay.
Jim Supica (now curator of the NRA Museum, and a genuine good guy has a good analysis of guns
with historical attributions at
http://armscollectors.com/provenance_supica.htm that is well
worth reading.) John Spangler
# 13734 -
Mod 1934 Beretta
Jason, Tallassee, AL
Pietro Beretta -
Gardone V.T-Cal 9 Corto -
380 ACP -
3'' Maybe 3 And A Quarter In. -
On the left side of the frame just above the trigger is what appears to be a star with a circle around
it, there is a crest of some sort next to that and then there is another star surrounded by a circle.
Next is the letters PSF, then the roman numerals XIX. Acquired gun after my father died, and just
wanted some history on firearm and maybe what it's worth.
Answer: Jason, your pistol is Model 1934 and was made in 1941 by the Beretta
factory probably for the Italian Army. The year XIX stands for the 19th year from the time Benito
Mussolini started his reign (1922). Check the left side of the frame for the letter RE or RA. The first
stands for the Italian Army the second for the Italian air force. Value will depend on condition and
can be anywhere from about $100 to around $550. Marc
# 13709 -
Winchester Model 1886 Production
Don't Know -
how many were manufactured?
Answer: Dan, about 160,000
Model 1886 Winchesters rifles were made between 1886 and 1922 when production ceased. They
were the second design John Browning sold to Winchester and are eager sought after by
Winchester collectors. Marc
# 13620 -
Triplett & Boone (not Scott)
Vicki, State College, PA
The gun is marked: Tripplet & Boone, Dec. 6, 1864, Meriden Manufacturing Co., Meriden
Connecticut, 2037, Kentucky I am wondering about the value of this gun. All (scarce enough)
references I can find on the internet point to ''Tripplet & Scott'' not ''Tripplet & Boone''. I know it is a
Civil War carbine. It looks to be in useable condition, but no one has tried to fire it. Just wondering if
you know someone in Central/Western PA who has knowledge about these weapons. It would be
fun to know some of the history.
Answer: Vicki- I can not find
any references to Triplett & Boone, or even any makers named Boone in the Kentucky area who
might have been a partner with Triplett. I don’t know anyone to recommend who might be able to
help with this one. John Spangler
Percussion lock says only Atkinson Warranted. There are two engraved lines around the edge of the
lock. There is a small eagle just in front of the hammer and two small rococo designs in the front
plate. No opposing side plate. There are two small ducks in flight and a crane in water and tall grass
in the back section of the lock. I believe the heavy barrel to be browned not rusted, and is 1.063''
across the flats. The rifling has 5 narrow grooves. The second thimble is missing and therefore
shows how it attached to the barrel. The thimbles are plain steel tubes welded into a recesses
ground or filed into the bottom land. Front sight is brass mounted on a wedge. Rear sight is about 4''
long mount with wedge in the barrel. The bottom of the sight has a slit to raise for long shot. Has
Double set triggers. Stock is half I think cherry reddish brown finish no patch box. Brass nose piece
has a 1'' V pointing to the rear on bottom of stock. Brass butt plate is highly curved and would be
painful for a ''full sized'' man to shoot. Brass trigger guard has two tails pointing down. Rifle weighs
10.3 lbs. I would enjoy knowing several things. Approximate date of manufacture, Maker and
maker's locale, school if possible from the description I've given. And would like a realistic value for
insurance purposes. Thank you so much email@example.com
Answer: Rich- It certainly sounds like a nice rifle. I regret that we cannot tell
you much about that one. It sounds like it may be more of a target rifle than a hunting gun. The
weight, barrel thickness, double set triggers and extreme butt plate and trigger guard almost sound
like a Schuetzen style target rifle. The lock markings are probably from the maker of the lock, not
necessarily the rifle maker. My guess is that the date would be sometime in the mid to late 19th
Century. We will not even attempt to guess at the value without photos. John
# 13699 -
What Model Is It?
Model 2? -
Don't Know -
I have come in contact with a small handgun that has the following markings: Left side has
''Selbstlade-Pistole Cal.6,35 Walther's-Patent.'' Underneath this is a small banner with the word
''Walther'' inscribed in the banner. The right side has the markings ''Carl Walther Waffen Fabrik
Zella-Melhis I. It has no front or rear sight and has the numbers 64343 stamped between the trigger
guard and the grip on the left side. It also has a small safety located on the left side with the letter
''S'' that when covered indicates the safety is on. Ejection camber is on the right side as well. I have
been trying to determine what model this gun is in the Walther collection but keep finding small
details that tells me it is not the model 2 (ie. F on the safety instead of S). Can you provide any
further details for me?
Answer: Sir, your pistol was made before
1945 by the Walther Company at Zella-Melhis. After 1945 Walther moved to Ulm so it is either a
Model 2 or a Model 8. The Model 2 has knurled barrel ring, the Model 8 does not.
# 13789 -
Who Manufactured My Nickel P.38?
above trigger is a ''135'' and above this is a what looks like a roman numeral ''V'' with three lines.
Also the h in the ser no is cursive. The nickel looks original. In good shape. Is this a Walther, or the
Mauser? How many were made? Do you know if this was the Police or regular model? Value?
Answer: Matt, the 135 above the trigger is the
weapons inspector's marking or waffenamt for the Mauser factory. If the pistol is not a mismatch the
same stamp should be found on the right side of the slide and on the barrel. The other waffenamts
used by Walther were 359 and by Spreewerk 88. It should also have a year of manufacture if it is a
Mauser or Walther, and this will stamped on the slide. Spreewerk did not stamp a date on their
No P.38s were ever nickel plated by the factory or by the German army. Many captured guns were
nickel plated after the war. Nickel plating destroys the originality of the pistol. If it is mismatch with
nickel plating it hurts the value even more. Currently P.38s are selling in the $600 to $900 for all
correct original pistols. If yours is mismatched and nickel I would place it in the shooter category
and the value would be in the $300 range. Marc
C. Sharps Patent 1859 (Left side) C. Sharps & Co Philada PA (right side) The Barrel Release button
is on the left side. Serial number matches on barrel and the Frame. The barrel is steel with Nickel
plating. The plating at the muzzle has worn off and the steel is dark but not rusted. There are two
very small chips out of the plating and two rust spots on the left side of the barrel. The right side of
the barrel has a chip out of the plating, but no rust. The frame appears to be silver plate over bronze.
80 to 85% of the silver plating remains. The grip is smooth wood in very good condition. The rotating
hammer works perfectly. The barrels themselves are clean. I know after doing research on your
website and several others, that I have a Sharps & Co Patent 1859 Derringer model 1B, and that
only 3200 of them were made. My questions are threefold. How many of the 3200 Type 1B’s were
produced with a Nickel plated barrel? What year (approx.) was it manufactured? And of course,
what's a good estimate as to value? I haven't had it to a gunsmith yet to see if it's in good enough
shape to shoot, but that's next on my list! Thanks!
Thanks for doing some research before asking for more help. Unfortunately, we do no know how
many of the 3,200 of that variation were made with the nickeled barrels. However, just based on the
ones we have seen, a rough guess is maybe 10-20%. While scarcer than the blued barrel versions,
collectors really prefer that the nickel be in nice shape, so peeling and flaking finish will reduce
The four barrel production lasted from 1859-1874, with manufacture of about 60,000 of the Model 1A
serial numbered from 1 to 60,000. The Model 1B numbers ran from 1 to about 23,000. The
subsequent Models 1C, 1D and 1E started at number 1 again and continued up to around 26,000.
Therefore my guess is that the Model 1B was made circa 1862-1864.
Value is probably several hundred dollars.
PLEASE- do NOT try to shoot this old gun. These were made for lightly loaded .22 short size
ammunition loaded with black powder which develops much lower pressures than any of the modern
smokeless powder loads. John Spangler