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# 13047 -
Model 1842 Springfield Marked G
M1842 Springfield -
Don't Know -
Henry, Mobile, Alabama
V P with Eagle 1854 and Large ''G'' located center near tang I have a M1842 Springfield which was
rifled and had long range sites added, I was looking for information on what the large ''G'' mark would
mean. Thanks Henry
Henry- My best guess is that
the “G” is some sort of unit or individual mark. Perhaps it belonged to George Grover, or was
assigned to Company G of the local militia before, during or after the Civil War. Perhaps it was
bought by the Georgia Railroad and steamship company to guard against robbers, or shoot pigs for
construction crews. In most cases the exact meaning of “unit” or :rack” marks will remain forever
unknown. However, it is fun to speculate about what they might mean. John
# 13046 -
Pistol With Four Barrels On Top Of Each Other
Don't Know -
Danny, Pickering, LA
Do you have any information concerning a four vertical barrel handgun? It was found in France
during WWII. Barrels are one piece and pulls out to load.
Danny- There is probably no possible variation of pistol design that
has not been tried at least once. While I do not know of any French made pistols with four vertically
stacked barrels, there are two possible matches made in Suhl, Germany. One looks very much like
a semi-auto pistol with no exposed hammer, and the barrels are hinged and tip down and forward
for loading. This is the “Regnum” made by August Menz.
I think you probably have the “Reform” pistol made by August Schueler. The barrel block moves
vertically upward with each discharge, and the residual gas pressure automatically ejects the fired
case for all but the last (bottom) barrel. In case you are uncomfortable with the idea of your pistol
flinging fired cased straight back towards your sighting eye, the exposed hammer on this one also
acts as a brass deflector kicking them off to the side. These are very seldom seen guns, and fit in
the category of “curiosa.” That is a fancy word used by people to describe really weird stuff so
people will not laugh at them when told that they collect such things. John
# 12452 -
Stainless Steel Colt 1908?
Stainless Steel -
Dee Jonesborough, TN
nothing remarkable I would like to know the manufacture date and approximate value of this
handgun. It belonged to my Uncle Harold who was a NYC Police Officer and passed away in
Dee, my records indicate that your pistol was
manufactured in 1920, Colt did not start making stainless steel hand guns until the 1970s so it's a
good bet that your pistol is nickel or chrome plated.
Because of the time frame you mention, it sounds like you have a Colt Vest Pocket Model 1908
Hammerless. The 1908 Hammerless model was manufactured from 1908 to 1946 and it came with
a 2 inch barrel, fixed sights and checkered hard rubber grips on early models. Later models had
walnut grips and a magazine disconnect was added on guns made after 1916.
It has been my experience that there is not a lot of collector interest in most .25 caliber pistols so
they seem to usually be slow sellers. VEST POCKET MODEL 1908 values in the blue book for
pistols with nickel finish, are a little higher than they are for pistols with regular blue finish, they range
from around $200 to over $800. The book adds 15% for original factory pearl grips.
# 12450 -
Gerstenberger & Eberwein Value
Gerstenberger & Eberwein -
Gussenstadt, Germany -
Kevin, Defiance, Ohio
Barrel - Cal.32 S&W lg. Left front side of frame - 63 and then a marking similar to an antler (?) I am
curious to see if this is still an active company and what the approximate value and/or ''history'' of
this gun might be. It belonged to my grandfather and will certainly hold more sentimental value than
monetary, so this inquiry is merely to satisfy my curiosity. I would deeply appreciate any information
you could provide. Thank you very much in advance.
Kevin, Gerstenberger & Eberwein was founded in West Germany in
the early 1950s. Since their founding, the company has produced a line of cheap starter pistols, .22
rimfire revolvers and .32 center-fire revolvers under various names including Em.Ge, G&E, Omega
All of the Gerstenberger & Eberwein revolvers were double action, six-shot with solid frames and
barrels measuring 2.25 to 6 inches in length. There were two basic patterns, a gate-loaded design
with ejection performed by removing the cylinder arbor pin to punch out spent cases, and a design
with a spring-loaded ejector rod on the bottom right side of the barrel. Gerstenberger & Eberwein
revolvers were widely sold in the USA before the gun control laws of 1968 banned the importation of
this type of firearm. Values are modest, they top out at around $100.
# 12446 -
Frankenstein Beretta - Special?
P Beretta - Cal.7.65 Brevettata
IT HAS TWO DIFFERENT SERIAL
James, Hillsborough, NC
The gun has two different serial numbers. One on the receiver and a different one on the body of the
gun. My father got this gun in WWII, After he died it was passed down to me. A) what can you tell
me about the gun? B) Why does it have two different serial numbers C) How special does it make
this gun in the terms of value?
James, it sounds like
you have a model 1935 Beretta. The 1934, in .380 and the 1935, in .32 were Italy's main military
issue pistols during WWII.
The two different sets of serial numbers that are on your Beretta indicate that it is made up from the
parts of two different pistols. Collectors call guns in this condition "parts" or "Frankenstein" guns.
Rather than making it special, the mis-matched numbers will lower value by as much as 50 or 60
percent. I would expect to see a pistol like the one you are describing sell for under $200.
# 13034 -
Herters XK3 .243 Rifle
Herters Inc -
Josh, Lincoln, NE
Barrel is stamped Made in Yugoslavia on one side and Herters Inc. Model XK3 on the other. The bolt
is stamped with 783 and another sideways 3. I recently acquired this rifle from an auction for a
VERY cheap price. I was impressed by the definition of the wood grain and thought that for the price
it would be a nice addition to my collection. However, I have tried to find specific information on this
rifle, but have had limited success. Could you point me in the right direction and give some
indication of its possible value. Thank you.
Herters operated out of Waseca, Minnesota circa 1960-1979 offering a n incredible variety of guns,
reloading gear, hunting and fishing stuff. Most was pretty good quality, and sold are pretty
reasonable prices, accompanied by hyperbolic advertising touting everything as “World’s best, new
and improved, ancient secret formulas”, and the like. Their rifles seem to have been made in
England or Yugoslavia, and are reportedly good, reliable guns. They just have no collector interest
(although I think that Herters stuff would be a great collecting niche). So, it is probably worth about
what you paid for it and it should be a good serviceable gun for a long time. There is probably a
brand name cousin out there that may be easier to use if you ever need parts. Herters seems to
have some remote connection as a predecessor of Cabela’s although I don’t know that for sure.
# 13015 -
Whitney Kennedy Rifle Values
Whitney Kennedy -
George, Longview, Texas
I have 2 Whitney Kennedy Rifles. Wondering roughly what they are worth. They are in good
condition. Can get more details as I am currently at work. Thank you
Flayderman’s Guide to Antique American Firearms and their Values-
and offer this on our books for arms collectors page at a very good price.) You can also take
advantage of the Blue Book of gun values service which offers appraisals for a fee. Or, you can
take the guns to a gun show and ask people there what they will give you for them, or if they will do
an appraisal. My rough guess without seeing them is something in the $800-1500 range as retail
values. John Spangler
# 13001 -
Remington .32 Rimfire Rifle
Remington Arms -
32 Rim Fire -
Mike, Waterville, Maine
Has 2 hammer, turn a lever and rifle comes apart. I have not found any info on this rifle, anything you
have. Date made, cost at that date, why it was made, etc. Thank you very much and have a good
Mike- I suspect you have one of the Remington
Rolling block rifles, probably the model 4. The “hammer-like” closest to the breech of the barrel is
actually called a “rolling block” and that closes the breech. The hammer at the rear is the true
hammer that strikes the firing pin in the rolling block. As the hammer goes forward, part of it slips
under the rolling block, locking it in position for firing.
About 50,000 of these were made circa 1890-1933 in various .22, .25 and .32 rimfire calibers. Value
today is usually in the few hundred dollar range, and original cost was probably about $15 or so.
Full details are in a great new book: REMINGTON .22 RIMFIRE RIFLES- by John Gyde & Roy
Marcot - 376 pages 9.25” x 12.25” hardcover. The definitive study on every model .22 rimfire rifle
made by Remington from 1866 to 2006, opening a great new collecting specialty for the first time
with detailed histories, and accurate production figures and details on variations. Lavishly illustrated
with over a thousand photos of the guns and related items, nearly all in color and large scale to
show the details. This is based on over 16 years archival research, and exhaustive study of the rifles
themselves. The book has been endorsed by the Remington Society of America and the American
Society of Arms Collectors. A fantastic new book, brand new condition. Check our books for arms
collectors catalog page for current availability and price. John
# 12441 -
Unusual H&R Pistol
Self - Loading -
3.5 In -
No special markings. On the left side of the slide is stamped H.& R. SELF-LOADING, CALIBER 32;
and the serial number. On the right side of the slide is stamped HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON
ARMS CO. WORCHESTER, MASSACHUSETTS, U.S.A. PAT.AUG 20,1907, APR.13, NOV.9,1909.
I cannot find any information at all about this on the Internet. During what years did H & R produce
semi-auto handguns? What year was this gun made? What range of value would it have today?
(Condition is fair. Lots of bluing worn off, but still shoots.) Are parts available anywhere? What was
the main reason for its' manufacture?
Alan, H&R made
about 34,500 of their "Self-Loading" .32ACP Semi-Auto pistols between 1916 and 1924. The model
was manufactured as a small concealable personal defense type weapon under license from
Webley & Scott (q.v.) and they are a close copy of the Webley & Scott Metropolitan Police model.
Examples of the model are scarce but even though H&R arms are a potentially interesting field of
specialization for collectors, with a variety of rifles, pistols and shotguns included, demand for H&R
firearms is low in general. We sold an H&R "Self-Loading" .32ACP Semi- Auto pistol in excellent
condition about 3 years ago. If I remember correctly, it went in the $300 to $350 range, but it took us
almost 2 years to find an a buyer.
Since this model is so scarce, parts will probably be difficult to locate, try checking with Gun Parts
Corp (the old Numrich Arms people) at the following URL:
Gun Parts Corp has just about everything. If that doesn't work, try posting on our free "Wanted"
page and at the new forum at WWW.ArmsCollectors.com. Marc
# 12422 -
Mossberg 46B Information
Mossberg & Sons -
Has a set of competition sights that I have never seen before. Would like to know how old it is and if
it is worth any history
James, the Mossberg Model 46B
was manufactured from 1938 to 1940 and then again in 1945 and 1946. 46B rifles came equipped
with a plain stock that had a cheek piece, and Mossberg micrometer rear sight with open ramped
blade front sight.
Your rifle could be a 46BT (target) rifle. The 46BT was manufactured in 1938 and 1939 and came
equipped with a heavy target barrel, special target sights and deep target style forend.
The 46BT is much rarer than the regular 46B but collector demand for Mossberg .22 rifles
in general is low. I would expect to see a rusty 46B or 46BT sell in a pawn shop or at a gunshow for
less than $100. Marc
# 12421 -
American Arms Co Revolver
American Arms Co -
Patd Dec 5 82 Mar 27 83 reis Dec 5 82 What caliber is it? What is it worth? I have two rimed loads
that say 380 2z fn and when was it made.
Arms Company started business in 1882, their offices were located in Boston, but manufacturing
took place at a factory in Chicopee Falls. In 1897 operations were moved to Milwaukee and the
company was out of business by 1904.
American Arms Company did not give the revolvers that they manufactured a model name or
number, their designs were mostly ribbed-barrel, hinged-frame types with a removable cylinder.
Early revolvers had a sheathed trigger instead of the usual kind that was used on later models. Late
production models used a unique lock mechanism which was patented by Henry F. Wheeler in
1890. The Wheeler lock mechanism allowed the hammer to be cocked by pressing the trigger and
released when a second pressure was applied to fire the cartridge. A selector switch on the frame
allowed the revolver to operate in normal double-action mode.
There is little or no collectors interest in American Arms Company revolvers. I would expect to see
one sell at a pawn shop or at a gunshow in the $100 range. Due to liability concerns we do not
answer questions about what ammunition is safe to fire. I suggest that you take the revolver to a
competent gunsmith to determine the caliber and whether or not it is safe.
# 12984 -
Winchester M1885 .22 Caliber “ Winder Muskets ”
M-1885 Win. Winder Musket -
.22 Rimfire S & .22 Rimfire LR -
28'' Breech To Muzzle -
ALL MODEL 1885 MUSKETS -
Pete, Lompoc, CA
Was the Musket version of the model 1885 SS Winchester developed to satisfy the requests of Gen
G W Wingate & Col C B Winder (both civilians at the time), or was the ''Winder'' version a
modification of an already developed and marketed musket? In other words, are all model 1885
muskets, ''Winders''? I've searched the internet, and read Herbert Houze ''Winchester .22 Caliber
Single Shot Rifle'' and R L Wilson ''Winchester, An American Legend'' on the subject without result. I
have always understood that if the breech closed to half-cock it was a ''Winder'', to full cock it was
not a ''Winder''. In Houze, if I understand him, that was simply a change that accompanied the 1908
change from a leaf to a coil main spring in all M-1885 muskets, perhaps all model
Pete- Excellent questions, but we just flat don’t
know the answers. The guy who would know is Bert Hartmann, a researcher writing a book on the
Browning Winchester single shot rifles. John Spangler
# 12976 -
Hopkins & Allen Underhammer Muzzle Loader
Hopkins And Allen -
Erik, Douglasville,, GA
It has ''Hammer'' on the bottom of it instead of the top. Its a musket from Numrich Arms in West
Hurley, NY. Is this musket worth $800?
Erik- Please do
not buy any lottery tickets, or bridges or oceanfront property in Arizona. This gun was made in the
late 1900s (1960-1980?) strictly as an inexpensive shooter. They have no collector value as far as I
can tell, and shooter value is probably closer to $150, or maybe less, in my opinion. John
# 12974 -
Oddball .90 Caliber Belgian Made Flintlock.
Made In Belgium -
.90 Bore -
29 1/4 -
Don't Know -
ELG STAMPED WITH A STAR -
Bill, Kalama, WA
Has an unusual butt plate with a lever or horn on the bottom that sticks out under your arm when
held. It is a flintlock and must weigh 12 to 15 pounds. I would like to know approximate date of
manufacture, how used and what for. Any info appreciated.
Bill- The Belgian proofmark ELG tell us it was made there. I suspect
it is a late 19th century or early 20th century piece made for the African trade, possibly for hunting
elephants or other dangerous game. I think that some of these were still being sold via Stoegers in
the 1960s or 1970s at modest prices. I would try to find some old Gun Digests or Shooters Bibles
and check those to see if you can find a match. Probably not a great collector prize, but certainly an
interesting piece. John Spangler
# 13197 -
1908 Colt Restoration
1908-M ? -
Has mother of pearl grips. It is fully functional, it has a picture of a rearing horse at the back and an
arrow pointing towards the back of gun on side of the barrel. I inherited this gun from my grandfather,
who gave it to his wife for protection when they married in 1925. I want to know how much it is
worth (roughly, no need to beat me up) I would also like to know if I should have it fully restored, or
keep it as is. I believe I have sufficiently followed all rules of english, with sentences fully flowing, and
capitolization duely noted.
Christian, it is usually better
to not restore collectable firearms. Having a firearm restored can reduce the value by as much as
50 to 75 percent. You did not tell me the condition of your pistol so I can only give you a range for
the value which is between $275 and $1200. The blue book says to add 20 percent for pistols that
have factory nickel plating with mother of pearl grips. Of course, if the nickel plating is not a factory
finish, deduct up to 75 percent.
Your word "english" should be capitalized, and you misspelled "capitolization" and "duely".
# 12416 -
F.I.E . , Weihrauch -
357 Mag. -
4 3/4 From The Frame -
Dan , Spring Creek NV.
Right side of frame above trigger guard has ARM 357 . On the left side of the barrel is stamped ''
Arminius-by. H.Weihrauch'' made in germany followed by the serial # S2934. On the right side of the
barrel it is stamped F.I.E corp. Miami/FLA.cal.357/magnum . Thank you for taking the time to
consider my inquiry to this firearm . I am considering trying to find parts for this single six which is
modeled after a Peacemaker . My problem so far is that F.I.E has no parts list available for this
weapon and the few smiths I have taken it to have told me it would not be cost effective to have
someone work on it .My question to you is if there are any parts at all available for this gun or if
possibly second generation Colt parts would suffice for the repairs that need to be done . The shell
ejection slide needs to be replaced as well as screw and spring assembly that keeps the cylinder
spindle in the frame . I do hope that you can provide me with some advice on this matter. Thank you
Dan, I do not know of a source for parts. I think that the
advise that you received was sound. Even if your revolver were in brand new condition, it would still
be worth less than $100. I would advise you to not waste your time or money trying to find parts. The
best thing to do is to save it for the next time the liberals in your area hold one of their foolish gun
buy back programs. Marc
# 12411 -
RG Model 40 -
Connie Grover, Mo.
My husband purchased this gun a long time ago. I have someone that would like to buy it .Can you
tell me what it worth and anything else about it.
RG manufactured a line of inexpensive, low quality firearms that were mostly Saturday night special
types. There is no collector demand for any RG firearms that I know of, you can probably consider
yourself lucky to have a buyer. I think that anything over $50 would be a fair price. It may be prudent
to take some ID information down from your buyer when you sell and to have the buyer sign a dated
receipt and a liability waiver incase the gun blows up and injures someone.
# 12973 -
U. S. Rifle Model Of 1917
Model Cf 1917 -
Michael Nelsen, Lathrop, MO
Ordinance ball has letter C inside. Purchased Model 1917 rifle, marked as cf 1917. I thought it would
be M1917. Made by Winchester, but bolt has an E, which I assume is Eddystone. My
understanding is all 1917 rifles were sent through the armory and Parkerized, which this one has
instead of bluing. My question is what does the cf stand for? Made April 1918. Thanks for the
Michael- From about 1900 to the 1920s the
official military nomenclature was
“Model of [date]”. In the 1920s a different nomenclature system was adopted which must used a “M”
for Model and then a number, such as the M1 Rifle. There was a brief overlap in the two
terminologies, and later users tended to abbreviate the earlier formal names to be more like what
they were used to in later years. Hence the “U.S. Rifle, caliber .30 Model of 1917” became known as
the “M1917”. A few ignorant barbarians have learned that the British used the term Pattern instead
of Model as in the “Pattern 1914 Rifle”. These illiterates then insist that since the U.S. Rifle Model of
1917 was derived from the British Pattern 1914 rifle, then morons should be allowed to call the
American rifle a “P17.” Perhaps from their cranial-rectal inversion perspective this makes sense,
but it is wildly incorrect. It certainly makes one ponder the possibility of serious inbreeding problems
for those poor folks, or the poor quality of our government skools who taught these people. John
# 12958 -
Mauser Sporting Rifle
Chr. Schilling. -
Suhl, Prussia -
8mm By 57 Believed -
22 And 1/8 Inches -
Don't Know -
James, Folsom, CA
On base of barrel = ''3,67 gG.B.P. St.M.G.'' ; Double set triggers ; Rifle ; On the bolt's lever base = 2
crowns ; Octagon barrel ; On base of barrel = ''Krupp-Steel'' ; On top of barrel = '' ***V* CHR.
SCHILLING. SUHL. PRUSSIA *** '' ; grey metal finish. What type of rifle is it? When was it
manufactured & for what purpose? Original caliber estimated? What is its estimated value range in
excellent condition? Thx, James
James- Sounds like
you have one of the many fine sporting rifles built on a Mauser action. I suspect it is one that was
made circa 1890-1910 on the Gew 88 Mauser action with a magazine that extends below the stock,
or perhaps one made circa 1900-1930 on a Model 98 Mauser action where the bottom of the
magazine is flush with the stock. Workmanship on these is often superb, with double set triggers,
fancy sights, often with claw mounted scopes, and profuse engraving and inlays and carving.
However, the calibers are often a mystery unless a gunsmith makes a chamber casting to measure
against a list of obscure European calibers. Since ammo may be hard to find and the beautifully
executed work is done to European tasted, the values are often very modest as they simply do not
appeal to modern American shooters or collectors. Most of these rifles were souvenirs brought
home following WW2. Hope that helps. John Spangler
# 12954 -
GEW 88 Mauser Rifle Amberg
1895 German Mauser -
crown, amberq or amberg, 1895 stamped Gew 88 stamped I just bought my husband a pair of guns
and these are the markings. I believe these are WWI German Mausers. How can I find out the
history and the worth of these? Obviously, I know nothing about such items and would really
appreciate some help. Thanks so much, Sharon
Sharon- Gew 88 identifies the mode, the German Gewehr 1888 which
was a bolt action rifle. Amberg is the German arsenal that made it in 1895. In 1898 these were
rendered obsolete by the famous Model 1898 Mauser rifle, but the Gew 88 remained in use among
second line German units for much of World War I. During WW1 many of them were sent to their
ally, Turkey and these generally have Turkish markings added. Value depends on many minor
details., but these usually sell for a few hundred dollars, but some of the much abused Turkish rifles
have sold for $50 or less. For your next gift, I would recommend a copy of a good gun book such as
Jon Walter’s “Rifles of the World” or Robert Ball’s Mauser Military Rifles of the World.” of a
membership in the National Rifle Association (NRA). John
# 12395 -
Pistol Stored Loaded For Over 60 Years
WWII German Pistol -
Geoff, Catoosa, OK
FABRIQUE NATIONALE D'ARMES DE GUERRE HERSTAL BELGIQUE BROWNING'S PATENT
DEPOSE on right side of gun. ''F'' overlapping an ''N'' above grip on both sides. Was told it was a
Nazi gun used in WWII. Has markings of eagle over Wa-A103. Has two original clips and original
holster. FABRIQUE NATIONALE D'ARMES DE GUERRE HERSTAL BELGIQUE BROWNING'S
PATENT DEPOSE on right side of gun. ''F'' overlapping an ''N'' above grip on both sides. Gun is
in very good condition and actually has the original bullets still in the clips and the chamber. Has
been out of the holster once to write down all of the markings. Could someone give me more
specifics regarding this gun? Value? Details on manufacture, etc.? Thank you.
Geoff, I think that before answering your question, there is something
important that needs to be said. If you performed the kind of close examination of a loaded pistol
with "the original bullets still in the clips and the chamber" that you would have had to have done to
be able to give a detailed description of the markings, you did an extremely dangerous thing. I
would advise you to take the pistol to somewhere away from people and things that could be
harmed if an unintentional discharge occurs, point the pistol in a safe direction, remove the
magazine, remove the cartridge from the chamber and then remove all of the cartridges from both
magazines. Not only is it dangerous to leave a loaded gun lying around for over 60 years, it also can
weaken magazine springs to leave them under tension for that long.
I can not determine what model your pistol is from the information that you provided. Both Model
1922 and 1935 FN pistols can be found with WaA103 stampings and "FABRIQUE NATIONALE
D'ARMES DE GUERRE HERSTAL BELGIQUE BROWNING PATENT DEPOSE" marked on the left
(not the right) side of the slide. I can only tell you that the pistol was manufactured by FABRIQUE
NATIONALE (FN) in Belgium, sometime during the German occupation, and that WaA103 is a WWII
German military acceptance stamp that was used on Belgian Browning High Power Model 1935
and the Belgian Browning Model 1922 pistols. Marc
# 12393 -
Should I Buy A Armi Fratelli Tangfolio Spa
Armi Fratelli Tangfolio Spa -
Good Evening, I am writing to ask for some advice. I was perusing some guns in a pawn shop in
Frisco TX, where I reside and I am relatively new to the gun arena. I came a cross a nickel colored
9mm armi fratelli tangfolio spa hand gun and I liked it. Is this a good and reliable gun to consider
purchasing for a first time gun? If it is, would buying it from the pawn shop $300 be a reasonable
price? I appreciate any response and thank you in advance for your help. Kind Regards
Rikki, the TA-90 was a Tanfoglio designed 9mm
Parabellum military-style pistol that was copied from the CZ75. It came with a double-action trigger
standard, a manual safety on the slide that locked the firing pin, hammer, sear and trigger and a
fifteen round magazine. The breech was locked by a conventional Browning cam system. The TA-
90 was imported under license by FIE along with other Tanfoglio designs including the Titan and the
Buffalo Scout or Yellow Rose.
Although the CZ75 from which this pistol is copied is an excellent design, there are several reasons
that I would not purchase a Tangfolio. The first is that parts will be hard to find. Most gun buyers
know about the parts situation so the pistol will be hard to sell if you ever decide that you do not want
it any more. To top it all off, the pistol is nickel plated (UGH!!!). If you want to start out with an
inexpensive pistol, you can probably get a good Tarus or Ruger in the same price range, or for a little
more you could get a Glock S&W or Beretta. Marc
# 12391 -
FN Herstal (Browning Patent) -
Left side of slide:''FABRIQUE NATIONALE D'ARMES da GUERRE HERSTAL BELGIQUE''
''BROWNING PATENT DEPOSE''
Lion symbol followed by horizontal line followed by ''PV'' followed by star? symbol followed by ''AL''
stuck together followed by unknown symbol like a tower.
Left upper side of frame: lion symbol over a horizontal line over a ''PV'' over a star? symbol over
the letters ''AL'' stuck together over an unknown symbol like a tower?.
Right upper frame: ''121026''
Under rear of slide: ''V'' in a box symbol followed by a ''1'' or upside down ''L'' followed by
Forward left of trigger guard: ''V'' inside a circle.
Forward right of trigger guard: letter ''W''.
Aft part of barrel: the lion symbol followed by a horizontal line followed by ''PV'' followed by a
penqiun? symbol followed by ''R'' followed by star? symbol followed by
''AL'' stuck together followed by unknown symbol like a tower? followed by a symbol like a
pineapple? with the letters ''E'' ''L'' ''G'' inside. Near these symbols is the
serial number stamp again ''121026''.
Aft part of barrel near the threads: ''V'' inside a box.
On the underside of left plastic pistol grip: ''F'' over ''2''
On the underside of right plastic pisol grip: ''F'' over ''8''
''FN'' symbol on upper part of both brown plastic grips.
Both magazines have FN symbol stamped on lower right side of them.
This gun appears to have been electro-plated at some time.
This gun came with a brown
leather holster. The holster has a flap cover with a single brass button latch. Inside is an extra mag
pouch sewn in vertically. Holster has a
slit in order to slide ones finger into the trigger guard while grabbing the weapon. on the back is a
singe belt loop sewn onto the holster.
What is the manufacture date?
Where was this pistol manufactured?
What do these markings and stamps mean?
What exactly are the marks that I tried to describe?
What are the historical significances of these markings?
Who would have carried or been issued this pistol?
What is this worth on today's market?
Thank you very much!
Phil, the FN Model 1910 was
a popular design which was manufactured from 1912 to 1983, total production was about 701,266
pistols. There are no surviving serial number records available for this model that would allow me to
look up the date of manufacture but possibly we can determine something from at least one of the
pistols markings. The "tower" that you mention sounds like it could be the "Perron" proof for the
pistol passing fitting and functioning acceptance testing. This mark was to represent "the freedom
of the city of Liege" and it is found on pistols manufactured between 1903 and 1924. The "E L G"
stamping is probably in a circle with a crown on top (not a pineapple) this is a Leige final proof mark.
Lion | PV is a smokeless powder test proof that was used on FN pistols manufactured after 1903.
The other markings are various factory inspection and proof markings, I am not sure what the
penguin is. FN model 1910 pistols issued to the Belgian military will have a crown over the initials of
the accepting officer (usually AA or AF) stamped on the left side of the frame. You did not mention
any markings of this type or any other police or military markings, so it is probably safe to conclude
that your pistol was originally sold on the commercial market and that it was not military issue.
Blue book values for the FN Model 1910 range from about $150 to a little over $300. The electro-
plating will hurt, I would expect to see an electro-plated pistol like you are describing sell at a
gunshow in the $200 range. Marc
# 12952 -
Winchester 94 DEAC AMHERST NH
Rick,Webb City, Mo.
Deac. Amherst NH. Please Help!!! What does this stamping mean? It is on the underneath just in
front of the trigger.
Rick - I so not know what the
markings mean. I did find a question posted on another forum “Bought a Colt 1903 32 type IV made
in 1927. The gun is mint and I just noticed on the bottom of the grip frame there is stamped in very
small letters: DEAC AMHERST NH” (without any meaningful responses) so we know there are both
rifles and pistols with this markings. The most likely explanations are (a) initials and location of a
former owner, or (b) some sort of government (or private) entity markings. Wild guesses would be
something like Department of Education and Adult Corrections or Davis Electric Ambulatory
Company. Curious, indeed, but in my opinion such markings hurt the value unless they are
positively identified and the meanings are a lot more exciting than my guesses. John
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