an ''R'' (our what looks something like an R) with a crown above it. An ''F'' behind the rear sight and
some kind of a mark on the left side of the trigger housing. 1942 on the right side of the slide with
some kind of a mark below it. I do not know what the marks mean. I know the gun was made in
1942 German occupied Norway. It is in excellent condition with very little wear and the only problem
I can see is a slight crack in the right grip. What is its insurance value?
Answer: Leo, the Norwegians stamped this model with the inspector's initials. It
is hard to say for sure without seeing the pistol but these may have been what you are describing.
# 13861 -
Johnson Automatics " Sporting Rifle ’’
Will, Bancroft, Me
Johnson Automatics -
I came across this gun a few weeks ago. Is it one of Johnson's custom made ones, and what is it's
value? Condition is good.
Answer: Will- While Melvin M.
Johnson is best know for his semi-auto Model 1941 rifle, and to a lesser extent for his machine
guns, and a little bit for this rubber band gun, his company also made sporting rifles after WW2.
Most turned surplus military rifles into fairly vanilla configurations for the period. Some of their work
was apparently pretty high quality, and they had some catalogs or advertising that showed the
various options they could provide to a customer.
Probably the best source for info is Bruce Canfield’s excellent book on Johnson Rifles. Besides the
obvious focus on the M1941, he does a good job covering most other aspects of Johnson’s arms
As far as value, I don’t sense any great enthusiasm for Johnson Automatics sporting rifles. John
# 13858 -
Mike, Fresno, Ca
Made In Belgium -
I have acquired an antique long arm and I cannot find any information on it. The only markings on it
are the Letters ''ELG'', ''22.0'', and ''Made in Belgium'' on it. The diameter of the bore is 22mm. The
barrel length is 75mm and the overall length is 132mm. I can send pictures if you request. Thank
you, Mike Would you be able to help me find some information on this antique long
Answer: Mike- I must admit I am a bit confused by all the
THe ELG is a Belgian proof mark, and that is confirmed by the “Made in Belgium” marking. The
“made in ----“ suggests it was made after 1898 or so when U.S. customs laws began requiring the
country of origin to be marked on items imported into the U.S. 22mm converts to about .90 caliber,
so that is a very big bore. Assuming you mean 75 centimeters in stead of millimeters, the barrel
length would be about 29.5 inches, and the overall length about 132cm would be 52
I suspect this is a fairly modern (mid-20th Century) piece made for the U.S. market. Stoegers and
Dixie Gun Works and other outfits had some “old guns” made up in Belgium and marketed them
under imaginative names like “African elephant guns” or similar, mainly for decorative use. Frankly, I
don’t know enough about these to benefit from looking at photos, so that is about all I can tell you
on this one. John Spangler
# 13738 -
Trench Gun Barrel Value
LaSalle, IL, USA
Model 12 -
Winchester proof and flaming bomb I have an original Winchester Trench Gun Barrel Model 12. I'm
going to sell it and wondering what it is worth in very good condition.
Answer: Is it blued or Parkerized? Many of these barrels are Parkerized, and
this hurts the value. I have seen them advertised in the $200 to $300 range depending on condition
with the blued ones selling at a higher price. Marc
# 13728 -
Coast to Coast Project Gun
Aaron, Oak Harbor, WA
Model 40 -
.22 LR -
Barrel Stamp with Coast to Coast stores logo. First line is Coast to Coast Stores-MODEL 40-
MARLIN FIREARMS CO line 2 MINNEAPOLIS, MINN-22 CAL LR ONLY-NORTH HAVEN CONN.
Proof stamp on aft of Barrel : (JM) I bought this gun a few months ago for $47.50, the gun fires and
was in good shape except that the bluing was gone and replaced by some pitting nothing serious. I
planned on using the gun as a project gun and refinishing it before I tried on some more expensive
weapons. I didn't realize that from the little information Ive found so far was that I had a rare
collectible until I ( and this is embarrassing) began to sand and polish the barrel so that I could rust
blue later this week. Should I continue to refinish this gun even have it done professionally or stop
before I make things worse? What is the history and value of this gun anyway? I haven't been able to
find much information.
Answer: Aaron, I don't think that there is
much if any collectors interest in firearms that are marked with the Coast to Coast stores logo.
Even if there was some sort of collectors interest, the condition that you describe the bluing to be in
makes this rifle worth about what you paid for it.
I think that your little 22 is a perfect project gun, I would advise that you have fun with it and continue
to use it for learning how to re-blue. Good luck, Marc
# 13857 -
Two Band And Three Band Enfield Muskets
The gun I have owned for about 60 years is a so called 2 band musket and is amazingly in
excellent condition. Why were some models 3 band and what would mine be worth as I have seen
relatively few for sale?
Answer: Sir- Military arms of the 19th
century were made in several basic sizes.
Infantry were expected to fire at long distances against enemy formations, and to stand their ground
to repulse any attacks by enemy troops, using bayonets when their arms were empty. These
tactics were the legacy of earlier tactics where the infantry were basically “pikemen” armed with
pikes, and sometimes mixed with archers to reach out and touch the enemy before closing for hand
to hand combat. In this context, the longer range achieved with a longer barrel was considers nearly
as important as having a long “reach” with the bayonet. Thus we find infantry muskets with barrel
lengths ranging from 39 to 44 inches during that period. (Indeed when rifles were shortened at the
start of the 20th century, the bayonets were made longer to retain nearly the same “reach” as in the
Cavalry, and other mounted troops needed shorter arms that could be handled while on horseback.
Firing while mounted was not common, except as an initial volley, to be followed by a charge with
drawn sabers. Carbines usually had barrels about 22-24 inches long. There were also carbines or
musketoons with similar short barrels used by artillery men, but without the saddle rings normally
found on cavalry weapons.
An intermediate length was sometimes made, usually with rifled barrels when the infantry was still
using smoothbores, for the Riflemen, or Light Infantry who engaged in skirmish tactics in advance of
the massed infantry. Barrels on these usually ran about 33 inches.
In addition to the major military types of arms, quasi military or police forces also had long arms in
their inventory. These would include customs guards, jailers, postal guards, railway police, and in
some countries forestry officials, gamekeepers, and of course ceremonial guards for royalty and the
The number of bands on a weapon was based on the very practical consideration of what was
needed to hold the barrel and the stock together.
Hope that helps. John Spangler
# 13848 -
Oddball French Model 1907 Berthier Rifle
Christopher, Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Not Sure Where To Measure To, But
21563 ON BOTH WOOD AND METAL -
Mle 1907 - 5 M34 MAS and CAL 7.5. Also has serial numbers as well as 1936 etched in metal on
top of barrel under removable piece of wood. Sling ring on lower stock is on bottom, sling ring on
barrel is on the right side. Entire gun is 42.5'' long. Can you tell me what I have? Recently given to
me by my dad, who said it was his uncle's and brought back from France in WWII. It's in excellent
condition. Where can I get the correct ammo for it and how much is it worth approximately? Thank
you very much.
Answer: Christopher- The French military rifles
seem to have had more repairs, upgrades, modfications and assorted fiddling than any other country
I have never heard of a Model 1907 Berthier which was converted to 7.5mm, but then I usually stay
far away from Frog firearms lest I be overcome with a desire to eat stinky cheese and wave white
flags while wearing gaudy costumes.
The Model 1907 was originally a very long rifle in 8mm Lebel caliber. The M34 MAS indicates it was
modified in 1934 at MAS (St. Etienne). The 1936 on the barrel may reflect yet another change with
that being the date the barrel was made.
I am sure it is a collector prize for someone, but few French firearms seem to bring high prices.
# 13900 -
Arminius - Titan Tiger Value
Ralph -Chattanooga, TN
ARMINUS 38 Spl -
Titan Tiger -
2 INCH -
F.I.E. Corp. Miami, FLA Is this a German pistol & is it a good firing pistol? When Made. Worth any
Answer: Ralph, references indicate that the Titan Tiger
was a .38 special revolver with 2 or 4 inch barrel, fixed sights and blue or chrome finish that was
marketed in the USA by FIE. Titan Tiger models with chrome finish were discontinued in 1984 and
models with blue finish were discontinued in 1990.
Sorry to have to say that I am not a big fan of any of the Arminius firearms. In my opinion, they
were cheaply made and of questionable safety. I would expect to see a Titan Tiger for sale at a
gunshow in the $50 range. Marc
S/42 on top of slide I have this 1941 Luger with three stamps on the right side and an s/42 on the
top I have done some research but can't find the s/42 mark any info would help with finding out what
the worth could be
Answer: Jayshirlyny - Gesichert is the
German word for safe, not the manufacturer of your Luger. This pistol is designed so that the word
Gesichert is visible when the safety is in the on position, thus indicating that the safety is turned on
and the pistol is "safe".
S/42 was a WW-II German ordnance code assigned to Mauser-Werke AG, Oberndorff am
Neckar, Germany. It is found on Mauser manufactured Lugers that are dated from 1936 to 1939.
Lugers with the S/42 code should also have the following markings:
The serial number: stamped on the forward left side of the receiver, upper front of the frame,
beneath the rear of the barrel, and on the base of the magazine.
The last two digits of the serial number should be stamped on most of the small parts.
S/42 stamped on the forward toggle:
The four digit year of manufacture-1936 through 1939 on the Receiver-above the chamber: .
The word GELADEN, meaning loaded and visible when a cartridge is in the chamber stamped
on the left side of the extractor.
The bore size stamped beneath the rear of the barrel. This will be either 8.80, 8.81, 8.82, 8.83,
or 8.84 millimeters.
Eagle over 63 military acceptance stamp stamped twice on the forward right side of the
receiver, once on the top left side of the barrel one half inch from the receiver, and once on the base
of the magazine.
Eagle, or eagle over swastika in a circle military test proof stamped on the forward right side of
the receiver, the left side of the breech block, and the rear right side of the barrel.
Hope this helps, Marc
# 13808 -
French Model 1886 Lebel With Dust Cover
Wes, Council Grove, KS
French Lebel -
1886 M93 -
8 MM -
MA 1 1889 -
Manufacture D` Arms Tulle This Lebel has an odd cover over the bolt, like a dust cover of sorts,
which cycles with the bolt and apparently kept dirt and debris out of the action. I have never seen
another Lebel with this cover. What is it? Does it make the rifle more rare? THX-
Answer: Wes- I have never seen or heard of a Lebel with a
dust cover, but metal dust covers were somewhat popular during WW1, and can be found on
German Gewehr 98 Mausers, and most Japanese rifle through WW2. In addition, canvas breech
covers were made for U.S. Krag rifles, and also for British Lee Enfields.
While this may be a rare variation, the only thing scarcer may be someone who desperately wants
to buy one. John Spangler
# 13803 -
Unusual Argentine Model 1891 Mauser
Mauser Loewe Berlin -
Modelo Argentino 1891 -
M 4735 -
Shield with wings I have a Mauser Modelo Argentino 1891 that I can't seem to find the information I
am looking for about it. It has matching numbers stamped on the right side of it, on the barrel and
receiver. Both of these numbers say M 4735. The bolt has a different number stamped on it. It is
stamped W 3213. The bottom of the magazine is also stamped W 3213. The rifle has a metal
emblem on the right side of it. This emblem looks to be some type of shield with wings. The barrel
also seems like it is made for a bayonet. This rifle belonged to my grandfather and then I received it
after my father passed away. I have searched for awhile now and although I can find information on
Argentine 1891`s, I cannot seem to find anything out about this specific one. Any help would be
greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chris
Answer: Chris- Most of
the Model 1891 Argentine Mausers saw little use, and are found in excellent condition with matching
parts. It is not too unusual to find a bolt that has been switched and does not match, but to find the
floorplate switched as well is pretty odd.
The shield with wings is probably related to the Argentine Air Force, and maybe you can Google to
find what their symbols look like and confirm that. The 1891 rifles were used by some military
schools and honor guards even though they were obsolete for regular troops, so that may account
for the mismatched parts and added insignia. John Spangler
# 13881 -
Dave, Savage, MN
Kal. 32 S.u.W. Long -
69 Cm -
From other comments on net it has an Eagle N, another symbol that looks like a basket (?), and a
shield with 64 inside. Was wondering when it was made and where? Any other interesting points
that may be available.
Answer: Dave, sorry to be the bearer of
bad news. Burgo was an inexpensive (cheap Saturday night special type) revolver manufactured in
the 1960's by Karl Burgsmuller of Kreiensen, West Germany for export to the United States. U.S.
import of his type of revolver was banned by the gun control act of 1968. There is no collector
demand for Burgo revolvers and values fall in the $25 to $50 range.
New Haven.CONN.Pat.Aug.27.01FEB.25.02.FEB.3.17.DEC.22.03. Behind the trigger is the number
8 stamped There are two stamps on the top of the barrel closest to the action that looks like PWT
, and a I with what looks like an apostrophe to the upper right. What would the value be in good
condition? I can`t really tell if it`s stainless, the metal does not have rust but there are little dimples
in metal in some spots including the trigger guard and the end of the bore.
Answer: Robert, Winchester manufactured about 126,000 of their Model 1903
rifles between 1903 and 1932 when it was discontinued in favor of the Model 63. The little rifle was
a semi-automatic, chambered in .22 Winchester Auto Rimfire with a 10 shot tubular magazine, 20
inch round barrel, open sights and a straight walnut grip stock which was cut out for partial
magazine filling. The Winchester Model 1903 was never manufactured in stainless steel. If your
rifle looks like it is made from stainless steel then my guess is that all of the finish is gone or that it
has been chrome or nickel plated. I would expect to see a Winchester Model 1903 with no finish
sell at a gunshow in the $200 to $250 range. Marc
# 13791 -
M1 Garand Made By Winchester
Harold, Tulsa, Oklahoma
Rifle is in excellent shape with normal wear ..At least in the 80 percentile of finish left. with patina on
exposed metal. Rifle is very accurate. I would appreciate any info as to when it was made and any
other info you may have. Thanks in advance for any response.
Answer: Harold- Your Garand was made around March 1945. Usually the
barrels will had the month and year of manufacture stamped on the side (visible with the op rod
pulled back) and that should be fairly close to the date of manufacture, unless the barrel was later
replaced during an overhaul. We do not know of any source for further information about its history.
# 13780 -
Winchester Model 62A Serial Number
22 S, L Or LR -
22.5 Inches -
The serial number on the stock is 852937. The serial number on the bottom of the rifle is 852937B I
received this Winchester Model 62A from my father-in-law. He was born in 1929 and said he bought
the gun when he was a teenager. The problem is everything I have found out is the serial numbers
for the Model 62A only go through 409,000. The serial number on the stock is 852937, but the serial
number on the underside of the gun is 852937B. It is stamped made in New Haven Conn
Winchester Model 62A 22 S L OR LR on the barrel. It has an 8 inch pump handle with 17 groves. It
looks identical to other Model 62As, but I am not sure what I really have. I found one auction sight
that was auctioning a Model 62A with a serial number 852xxx, but it did not elaborate on the rifle.
Answer: Keith- Your research turns up the same
info that I was able to find. My only explanation is that the serial number may look like 852,000 but
actually be a poorly struck 352,000, or possibly a factory error where Bubba in the stamping
department replaced a broken “3” with an “8” and it was used for a while until the boss caught the
error. John Spangler
# 13877 -
Marca Registhada Revolver?
Ted, Woodbridge, Virginia
Marca Registhada -
The handles have the manufacturer insignia and name molded into both sides of the handle - also,
on the right side of the pistol is a stamped mark (cirular) - the pistol is double action, 5 shot and
appears to be a 32 calibre Condition is fair - fully functioning - some slight pitting - otherwise not
''beat up'' I never heard of this manufacturer - where can I go to find out the history of the piece as
well as the value
Ted, "Marca Registrada" is Spanish for "registered mark", it is the same thing as "trademark" in
English. "Marca Registrada" would typically be printed on products that were intended for export.
My guess is that you have one of the Spanish Smith and Wesson copies which are pretty common
and were imported into the United States in the first half of the 20th century. There were several
companies in Spain manufacturing this type of revolver during that time. Information about individual
makers is often hard to find, without a brand or model name it is almost impossible.
Spanish Smith and Wesson copies have a reputation in general for making use of low quality, steel
which may not be strong enough to handle modern day high- pressure loads. My advise would be to
retire this weapon and not fire it. There is no collectors in the Spanish S&W copies, I often see
revolvers in perfect condition being offered in the $50.00 range.
.30 U.S. -
28 In. -
2 B 43 on top of receiver, It is marked NATIONAL GUARD OF COLORADO on the right side of the
receiver I recently purchased a 1895 win. musket that I want to restore to it's original state. Where
can I get a full length forearm and the front barrel band for it? I believe it originally had a barrel band
that is missing. The forearm had been cut back to just ahead of the rear barrel band. Condition is
75% to 80% blue, it is mechanically sound and very smooth action. Also what do you think the
approximate value would be? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Answer: Terry- Many of the lever action .30-40 caliber Model 1895 muskets
with long barrels were later “sporterized” by owners who did not care about collecting guns, they just
wanted something to slay innocent woodland creatures.
I do not know of an source for original or reproduction forends or upper bands for the Model 1895
muskets. The upper bands are similar to Krag bands and one of those would look okay to most
The most common, or at least the most produced of the 1895 muskets was the 1916 version made
for Russian contracts in 7.62 x 54mmR caliber, with striper clip guides added to the receiver. About
293,000 of those were made, but considering the large number they are not encountered very often.
The U.S. Army purchased 10,000 Model 1895 muskets in .30-40 caliber with 28 inch barrels in
1898, but they were delivered too late for use in the Spanish-American War. 100 of those were sent
to the 33rd Volunteer Infantry for trial sin the Philippines, where they were not well liked, compared
to the Krags, mainly due to their demanding more careful loading of the cartridges. Those 100 rifles
were returned and sold off as surplus. The remaining 9,900 were sold to M. Hartley in 1906 and
ended up in Mexico (or Cuba, according to some people). In any case, the U.S. marked muskets
are seldom seen and usually in incredibly bad condition. Winchester also made sopme “NRA
Model” muskets with 24 or 30 inch barrels in .30-40, .30-03 or .30-06 caliber for competition
shooting. Finally, the state of Colorado purchased a number (maybe 500 or1,000) of these for use
by their National Guard. This may have been a deal where they were paid for by federal money,
which would account for the K.S.M. inspector markings found on them, while straight commercial
production guns were not inspected by federal inspectors.
As far as value, it is hard to say with the boogered stock and missing parts. As a shooter, perhaps
something like $750-1000, but this is one where a willing buyer and willing seller need to sit down
and reach an agreement.
We answered a similar question back in 2003 as question number 5224 and that may have some
additional info. John Spangler
# 13866 -
7.65mm/ 32ACP -
Left side states ''Ortgies & Co- Erfurt'' Ortgies` Patent This gun has the HO bronze medallion and
also shows the Erfurt location. The serial number would indicate that this is a gun that was made by
Heir Ortgies. The gun is in 90%- 95% condition with the holster not fairing so well at 40%. Does
anyone know the value and manufacture date of this gun? It's a beauty and I would like to know
more about it.
Answer: Kristi, it looks like you have really done
your homework on Ortgies pistols. There is no serial number information that I have been able to
find that would tell us when your pistol was manufactured. The best that I can tell you is that the
.32 caliber models were made between 1920 and 1928.
Although Ortgies pistols are well made, there is not allot of collectors in them, so value is not very
high. I would expect to see a pistol like the one you are describing sell at a gunshow in the $300 or
less range. Marc