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# 12039 -
M1 Carbine By Hale Ord Inc
Mike, Sterling, Alaska
M1 Carbine -
30 Cal -
HALE ORD INC on the receiver under the rear site I acquired this carbine not long ago and I can't seem to find any
info on a 30 cal M1 carbine with that name of mfg company. This gun looks well used. Any idea who made
Answer: Mike- I have no information on Hale Ord Inc. There were at least a
dozen makers of copies of the M1 Carbine over the years who essentially made the guns from a mix of commercially
made and surplus parts. I suspect that Hale may have been one of the early firms that salvaged torch cut
receivers and welded them up and made them work again, and applied their own name after removing the original GI
maker name. That is strictly a guess on my part, so don't think you will win bets by claiming that. You might
want to ask on the M1 carbine forum over on the Culver Shooting Page http://Jouster.com John
# 12038 -
British Or French Use Of M1 Carbine In WW2
Kenneth, Birmingham, Alabama
M1 Carbine -
This is a history question. Were the French or British ever issued the M1 Carbine during WW2? If they were do
you have any TO&E's available and dates issued?
Answer: Kenneth- I know for a fact
that the French received some M1 carbines. In the U.S. Army in World War II "green book" series "Rearming the
French" by Marcel Vigneras discusses small arms for the North African campaigns on pages 247-249. Beginning in
March 1944 some 13,000 M1 carbines were diverted to the French instead of being issued to U.S. service forces.
Prior to this the French had been recipients of large quantities of M1917 rifles and then M1903 rifles. As U.S.
combat troops in the theater received more M1 Garands and M1 carbines, their M1903 rifles were transferred to the
French. This accounts for the later presence of M1903 rifles in French colonies such as Vietnam. By July of 1944
the French had received some 167,000 M1917s, 47,000 M1903s, 740 Garands and 13,400 M1 Carbines. The Americans
then approved the issue of 8,000 M1 carbines per month for the last five months of 1944, which would have added an
additional 40,000 carbines in French hands.
Other volumes in that series mentioned shipment of small arms to various other allies, but I do not recall exactly
where that info was, and do no have time to dig around to find it. I am sure that the British received some M1
carbines as well, but in relatively small numbers, and perhaps only as intermediaries for delivery to resistance
fighters in occupied Europe. I have no info on Table of Organization and Equipment (TO&E) for allied forces.
# 11739 -
Rare Beretta Navy Pistol
1931 Navy -
32 ACP -
RM marked on Grip. Look like a large S mark on rear of frame. How rare are the Beretta 1931 Navy RM marked, and
worth in about 95% Condition. Thank you.
Answer: Justin, references indicate that
there were two variations of the 1931 Beretta pistol. One variation had a straight rear grip strap and the other
had a curved rear grip strap. The grips were smooth walnut and had a medallion set in each that was marked with
the letters RM with an anchor between the R and M. This was the symbol for the Italian Navy. Jan C Still in his
Axis Pistols Price Guide sets rarity of this model at 9 on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the most rare. Only
8,000 were manufactured, serial numbers are in the 400,000-408,000 range. Blue book values for the 1931 Beretta
range between 300 and about $1700 depending on condition. Marc
# 12032 -
Tower Barnett London Musket
Tower Barnett London -
Don't Know -
Some other marks...but can't make them out. Can't find SN. Rifle belonged to great great grandfather who fought
for CSA from South Carolina. It has a crown then under that is Tower then Barnett London. Can you tell me where I
can find information as to the age and value of this civil war musket? Thank you.
Answer: Bill- I think the barrel length you listed is actually the overall length. This is
probably a standard Pattern 1853 .577 caliber "Enfield" rifle musket. These were imported in large numbers by
both the north and the Confederacy during the Civil War, and thousands more were captured by each side. These
were excellent arms, and very popular with the troops. It was undoubtedly made circa 1860-1864, if it arrived in
the south in time to be used in the War. As far as value, you are looking at three different levels. Just as an
"old gun" representative example of the P1853 musket it probably would bring about $600-1,000. If you can
document its use by Confederate forces in the Civil War, especially if it is down to the unit and individual
level, then the value would probably be at least double that. As an heirloom item carried by an ancestor with a
known history, I would not sell it at any price. I would encourage you to get a dopy of the service record
information on your ancestor from the National Archives and to have the oldest living family member sign a
notarized statement, complete with pictures of the gun, stating who used it, their relationship to that person,
and how they came to own it. Then you can keep those papers and the service record information together. If you
decide that everyone in the family rather have money to spend than an old gun, then let me buy the gun and give it
a good home. (I am partial to South Carolina arms, having done a lot of research on Arming the South Carolina
Militia 1808-1903). John Spangler
# 12317 -
Machine Gun Value
Thompson 1927 A1 -
Caliber .45 Automatic Cartridge -
About 31 inches in length -
Don't Know -
No 1384 -
Sub-Machine gun stamped on, Auto-Ordinance Corporation West Hurley, New York, USA Model of 1927 A1, No
1384,Thompson Semi-Automatic Carbine,Caliber.45 Automatic cartridge, Trade Mark Thompson Reg.US Pat.off I would
like to know the value of this gun, if any.
Answer: Iris - value will depend upon
whether your machine gun has been registered or not and if you can prove it. When machine guns were registered,
the owners were given papers to prove the registration and copies were kept on file with the BATF in Washington.
Theoretically, if you lost your papers, they could provide a replacement copy. However, people familiar with the
situation report that the BATF files are a disaster and they are very often unable to tell if your gun is
registered or not. Therefore you should assume that if you do not have papers, the odds of having BATF find
copies for you are not very good. Thus, the BATF will decide it is NOT registered unless you can prove that it
is. Possession of an unregistered machine gun or sawed off rifle/shotgun is a federal felony with big hard time
sentences and hefty fines (something like 10 years and/or $10,000 fine). Marc
# 12320 -
Information On A Previous Posting
Robert, Leesville, SC, USA
None # 6023 - Quattlebaum Rifle 6/14/03 Mike This is in reference to a previous post on this page. I am
doing some research on a particular family history in South Carolina and came across the above post. I would like
to shed light on what information I have regarding the ''Quattlebaum Rife''. The rifle was invented by
Confederate General Paul Quattlebaum of South Carolina. The actual operation was run by John Quattlebaum and
Elija Hall of or near Leesville, South Carolina. They manufactured firearms during the civil war. One of the
rifle can be found in the Confederate Relic Room in Columbia SC. As the rifles were never well documented, there
are few examples which can be documented. Most of the records were lost to Shermans buring of many historic homes
and the Columbia SC area during war. The Quattleabum family history can be found in the archives located at
Answer: Thanks Robert - Marc
# 12028 -
Bullard Rifle Ammo Dies And Sights
Tim, New Prague, MN
25 1/4 Oct -
I would like to know if reloading dies are available for this old black powder rifle. Are there replacement
sights and would it best be left a wall hanger?
Answer: Tim- Let's review what a
Bullard rifle is before people go nuts trying to figure out if that is a type for the better known Ballard rifles.
James H. Bullard was a clever mechanis at Smith & Wesson who designed an innovative lever action rifle. He
formed the Bullard Repeating Rifle Company in Springfield, Massachusetts, and began production about 1883, and
also a single shot target model. While it was a good design, it was not a wise business move to be competing
against the better know, better equipped and better financed Winchester and Marlin companies. Bullard went out of
business about 1890.
Undoubtedly one of the die makers has made (or can make) dies for even as obscure a caliber as the .38 Bullard,
but it will be a custom order and not cheap. As far as sights, you probably will need to find a dealer who
specializes in sights (such as Garry Fellers on our links page) to see what they have. Since this is such an
obscure model, it may be that they had some oddball size peculiar to their rifles that will be hard to find, or
they may have used one of the industry standard size dovetails which will fit many sights. Good luck. John
C. J. Hamilton & Son -
22 Caliber Single Shot W. Hammer -
17 Inches -
NONE SHOWN -
The Hamilton rifle No. 27 22 Cal Patented Oct. 30 1900-Aug.13 1907 Mfd. By C.J. Hamilton & Son Plymouth Mich,
USA Stamped on left side of receiver. No other markings or serial This is a single shot rifle about 30 inches
long; could be a boy's rifle. What can you tell me about it and does it have any value? It is in fair to good
shape, no rust, wood stock & forearm are very good, everything works. Has steel buttplate. I have learned that it
was made in the same factory that eventually made the Red Ryder BB guns for many decades.
Answer: Jerry- I know we have answered questions about several models of the Hamilton boys'
rifles in the past. Please use the "search Q&A" tool at the top left of our page to get your answer. John
fnh Pistol Modell 27 Kal. 7,65 Has eagle over ''WaA76 stamped on the upper right side of the frame above the grip
and beneath the barrel just forward of the locking lugs. Eagle over swastika in a circle (Nazi Waffenamt) is
stamped on the right side of the chamber and on the top of the slide just forward of the serial number.This gun
has a nickel finish; I have read no information on this gun being produced with a nickel finish. Was the CZ-27
manufactured with a nickel finish or was the part of a refurbishment. what could this gun be worth?
Answer: David, the nickel finish is not origional and it pretty much destroys any collector
interest that the pistol had. I would expect to see a pistol like this sell at a gunshow in the $100 range.
# 12300 -
Mike Ranlo NC
On the side P.N -Crest- and Lion. Made in Spain On top of the Barrel ''Use U.S. Standard Ammunition'' On the
bottom of handle it says 7324 B.G. The gun is silver with the handle ins some type of dark wood with x groves My
Grandpa said it is at least 60 years old. I would like to know the manufacturer? Maybe what year it was made and
Value in Good Condition
Answer: Mike it sounds like you have one of the Spanish
Smith and Wesson copies which were imported into the United States in the first half of the 20th century. There
were several companies in Spain manufacturing this type of revolver during that time. Information about
individual makers is often hard to find, without a brand or model name it is almost impossible.
Spanish Smith and Wesson copies have a reputation in general for making use of low quality, steel which may not be
strong enough to handle modern day high- pressure loads. My advise would be to retire this weapon and not fire
it. There is no collectors interest in the Spanish S&W copies, I often see revolvers in perfect condition being
offered in the $50.00 range. Marc
S & W -
38 S&W CTGF VICTOR -
The chrome finish is not in good condition. I would like to know the age and availability of this gun before
doing a refinish. Thank you. David
Answer: David, I have never heard of a Smith &
Wesson Victor and I was unable to find the model in any of my reference books. Smith & Wesson manufactured a
Victory Model during WWII but all Victory Model serial numbers all started with a "V". I suspect that the "38 S&W
CTGF" markings on your revolver indite the caliber that the revolver is chambered for, not the manufacturer.
Without seeing some pictures I can not say for sure, but I doubt that the revolver is a Smith & Wesson.
# 12023 -
Air Force Survival Rifle - Shotgun
Carlos, Louisville, KY
22cal /shotgun Combination -
It supposedly a rifle designed for the airforce that stacks a 22cal and a small shotgun cal both single shot ?????
who makes it and how to obtain one .
Answer: Carlos- Sometime around the early
1950s, the Air Force survival rifle-shotgun was adopted as the "M6" which was all metal construction and folded in
half for compact storage. This had a .22 Hornet rifle barrel over a .410 shotgun barrel. These are considered
to be "sawed off shotguns" under federal law, and had a "squeeze bar" type trigger without a trigger guard which
created some safety concerns. The folks at Springfield Armory (the commercial outfit in Geneseo, IL) made a
nearly identical copy but with legal length barrels and a trigger guard and these are still seen at gun shows.
Prior to adoption of the M6 rifle-shotgun, the Air Force used a bolt action .22 Hornet rifle, also with short
barrel and capable of being broken down into a very short package, which was designated the M4 Survival rifle.
Prior to either the M4 or M6, the Air Force used a commercial style over under combination gun made by
Savage-Stevens. These had a .22 Long Rifle upper barrel and a .410 shotgun barrel. When first procured (during
WW2?) these were being sold under the commercial designation ".22-410". Later these were redesignated as the
Model 24, and offered commercially in a wide variety of cartridge combinations. The military models had Tenite
(plastic) stocks, and were sometimes marked with an ordnance bomb or USAF and a serial number. These had
commercial barrel length, about 20 inches or so. These can be found at gun shows or used gun stores from time to
time in either the commercial versions, or more rearely the military marked examples. John
Dear Sir....my Dad gave me a rifle that has no markings on it except ''Remington Arms Co. Ilion NY'' There
is no serial number or any other number on it. Dad says it is a 32 Rimfire Rolling Block Rifle. I wanted to
know if you have ever heard of this rifle?.....why doesn't it have a serial number?...when it was made? Are there
any bullets to fit it anymore?....What would be the worth of the gun at this time? Thanks for your help.
Answer: Yvonne- Prior to 1968 there was no requirement that guns have
serial numbers, so we know that it was made before 1968. While it is not totally impossible to find .32 rimfire
ammunition for shooting today, it is extremely difficult to locate and expensive. That caliber was popular from
the earliest days of metallic cartridges in the U.S. (circa 1860) up until about the 1920s. Remington made many
different models that used this ammunition, and the value varies greatly depending on the exact model, and
especially the condition. It may be a well abused "boys rifle" worth less than $100, or it may be an
exceptionally fine target rifle worth $1,000. John Spangler
# 12009 -
Usn Sword -
NO SERIAL NUMBER -
Engraved USN, Eagle, Anchor, and various decorative markings. I recently aquired a sword and am in need of help in
identifying it. On the guard are the letters ''USN'' in amongst what appear to be acorns. The blade is only
slightly upswept. There are a great many engravings on the sword including an eagle, the letters ''USN'' appear
again along with a good deal of scroll work. There are two proofmarkings on the base of the blade near the guard.
One is the letter ''S'' and the other ''B''. The letter ''B'' is on the inside of a shield. The blade also has
a name engraved on the top that I am still trying to identify. Any resources to help me identify this would be
Answer: Chris- Your description matches the standard Model
1851 U.S. Navy officers sword. These have changed little since their adoption except for the width of the blade ,
the scabbards becoming steel lined instead of floppy leather, and overall quality. Perhaps your best chance of
dating it would be to try to identify the name on the blade and track that down. Since these were privately
purchased items, they were made by various makers, in varying quality and price levels. Originally the
traditional German makers were the main suppliers, but in the post Vietnam era Spanish makers became jmajor
players. Those made overseas since 1898 have been marked "made in [wherever]" but blades made in Germany and
finished and mounted in the U.S. may only bear the American dealer/maker name. John
# 11738 -
Sauer Proof Mark
On 12/28/2004 you answered question number 10176 about an old J. P. Sauer & Sohn Suhl pistol. You said it was
worth about $125.00 unless it has military markings. Mine has a pair of wings with a ''N'' underneath. Does this
make a difference?
Answer: Sorry Kenneth, but the marking that you describe is a
German commercial proof mark that was introduced in the National Proof Law of 7 June 1939, which became effective
1 April 1940. The "N" was the abbreviation for Nitro, meaning smokeless Powder. The military acceptance stamp for
this pistol would be a stylized eagle over "37" located on the upper left side of the trigger guard.
# 11737 -
Deutsche Werke Pistol
Rick, LaGrange, Ohio
Deutsche Werke Werk Erfurt -
3 Inches -
104 8 17 -
It has ''Germany'' by serial number. Also it has a big D in gold on hand grips. Basically any information on gun.
Like where it was made? How many was made? If it was used in WW1?
your pistol was not used in WWI. Deutsche Werke AG of Erfurt Germany, was founded immediately after the end of
the First World War, they acquired the rights to guns designed by Heinrich Ortgies and put three versions into
production under the Deutsche Werke banner in 1922.
Markings on Deutsche Werke pistols vary, early models carry the slide inscription "DEUTSCHE-WERKE
AKTIEN-GESELLSCHAFT WERKE ERFURT" and have the monogram 'HO' (for Heinrich Ortgies) let into the butt grips. Later
models are inscribed "DEUTSCHE WERKE" (monogram) "WERKE ERFURT", the ornate monogram-'D' formed by a stylized
lion-being repeated on the grips.
There is not much collector demand for Deutsche Werke pistols, values tend to be in the $100 or less range.
# 11731 -
Lewis, Tall, Fla, USA
I recently purchased a 1911 style 45ACP auto pistol with markings on the left side of the slide (Remington
Rand, Syracuse, N.Y.).The markings are type 3 with smallest text. The frame is marked (Essex Arms Corp, Island
Pound VT) There are no other markings. The gun has a polished type finish throughout. In the sunlight outdoors
the frame bluing seems kind of brownish colored while the slide, grip safety, thumb safety pad are a polished
blue. The serial number is #14350. What is the story behind this gun and how did it come about being configured
this way? The bluing is about 90 percent. What is the value of this gun? > >Thanks....Lewis
Answer: Lewis, you have what collectors call a "parts" or "Frankenstein" gun
because it is composed of parts and pieces from other guns. Essex Arms of Island Pond, VT manufactures good
quality aftermarket replacement parts, including frames and slides for the Colt 1911/A1 type pistols since 1970.
Values for 1911/A1 Frankenstein guns are in the $200 - $350 Range. Marc
The number 22 is stamped on the top of the brass butt plate and on the stock. It has no patch box. How many of
this particular model was made and is there any significance in the number stamped on the butt plate
Answer: Graeme- Although made on the same general mechanical principles as the earlier Sharps
firearms, the 1851 was the first of the "slant breech" models which are instantly recognizable to average
collectors as being "a Sharps." These were made at the Robbins & Lawrence factory in Windsor, Vermont, which is
still standing and home of the American Precision museum. While their focus is on the machine tool industry, it
is interwoven with arms production history at that facility, as well as among all other gun makers, including the
British arsenal at Enfield which was equipped with Robbins and Lawrence machinery for the Pattern 1853 Enfield,
the first British arm made with fully interchangeable parts. http://www.americanprecision.org is the home for
this wonderful museum.
According to Frank Sellers' "Sharps Firearms" only 2,050 of the Model 1851 Sharps were made (including shotguns,
rifles, and carbines). Production overlapped earlier and later models, but ran from October 1852 through April
1855. These were serial numbered on the receiver, barrel, breechblock, lock, patchbox, buttplate, lever, lever
pin and the rear sight. I am not sure if all had patchboxes or not, and it is possible that the butt stock and
buttplate have been replaced at some point. I would expect that the number on those parts are a "rack" number
applied by an owner long ago. John Spangler
# 12007 -
1896 Krag Information
Tom, Columbus, OH
1896 Springfield Armory -
My mother gave this gun to me and I with the little research I've done on the gun I have found out it was made in
1898 (along with 41,588 others) and was probably issued as a service rifle (serial numbers around it were) to my
grandfather. What is the best way to find out it's worth. It's got the original strap (though it's broke in
two). The rifle is in very good shape with sights and no serious marks.
Answer: Tom- Krags were not assembled in strict serial number sequence, and production records
are generally kept on a fiscal year basis, so it is hard to be precise. Your rifle was probably built near the
end of fiscal year 1897 (early calendar 1898). When searching serial number records, it is hard to tell too much
for certain. In this case, I would agree that all nearby numbers are for standard infantry rifles, but would not
jump to any conclusions about where it may have been issued. The best way to check the value is to compare your
rifle with those being offered by various dealers or auction sites. Some of the gun value guides can also be
helpful. In our opinion "Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Arms and their Values" is the best for American
made arms of all types up to about 1945. It is important to compare guns in comparable condition and with
comparable features. Special features such as a Parkhurst clip attachment, a documented history of use by one of
Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders, or being drilled for a sporting telescope could make the value many times higher,
or a tiny fraction of another standard rifle. John Spangler
# 12006 -
Burnside Carbine Drawings
Jon Midwest City, OK
Third model Any idea where I could find an exploded view schematic diagram of this civil war carbine?
Answer: Jon- Try Brig.Gen. John Pitman's "Pitman Notes on U.S. Martial Small Arms and
Ammunition 1776-1933, Volume 1- Breech-loading carbines of the U.S. Civil War." John
# 11730 -
Source Of Information On A French Pistol
Model G -
.22 LR -
Where can I find info on this pistol?
Answer: Chris, a good source would be
"FRENCH SERVICE HANDGUNS: 1858-2004" by Eugene Medlin & Jean Huon. Published by Tommy Gun Publications 2004. I
found the following link where they are available:
# 12005 -
Mauser Headspace Adjustment
David, University Park, Md.
Gentlemen: I have for a long time wanted a 7mm Mauser carbine, probably the Venezuelan 24-30 version or the
equivalent. My fear about ordering one over the internet is headspace. I checked your FAQ file & found no
specific reference to this question (the closest being #439), so here goes: Is it possible to adjust the
headspace of a military Mauser & keep the existing sights? It appears to me from pictures that the front sight is
on a band that might be removable and replaceable. I don't know about the rear sight or the intricacies of turning
a barrel in the receiver. Is this a feasible operation or should I forget the whole idea? I could buy such a
carbine as a wall hanger, but I would rather be able to shoot it.
Headspace is the distance between the face of the bolt and some point in the chamber, measured differently for
rimmed or rimless cartridges. A competent gunsmith should inspect the headspace on any used gun before the first
time you shoot I, just to be safe. If the headspace is excessive, the danger is that when fired, the cartridge
case may be stretched as it pushes back against the bolt face. If the stretch is too great, or the cartridge case
is weak or brittle, it may rupture, allowing the 40,000-50,000 pounds per square inch pressure in the chamber to
escape out the back of the breech instead of behaving itself and just pushing the bullet out the front. If the
headspace is excessive, you can set the barrel back one thread and recut the chamber (which may require moving the
rear sight forward a little). Or you can build up the material on the locking lugs of the bolt, hopefully not
messing up their hardness or making them bear unevenly. Or, you can add material to the face of the bolt where it
supports the head of the cartridge. Of these options, only setting back the barrel a thread is a viable option.
Most military surplus firearms have endured years of use and are relatively safe to use. I would except the
Spanish M1916 and their FR7 or FR8 derivatives and any Turkish rifle from that, and caution that all should be
checked by a gunsmith. Chances are that buying a Mauser (except as noted) will end up delivering one with decent
headspace, and if not, you can always sell it to someone else and get another for shooting. Hope that helps.
# 12283 -
Colt Repro Value
44 cal Black Powder -
The cylinder is engraved with ships. It also has Colt Patent No. then no number, then Pat.Sept. 10th 1850 Also
on the cylinder it has Engaged 16 May 1843, this is up next to where the cylinder and barrel meet. On right hand
side just above trigger the symbols are a shield with a star in a circle above it, next to this it has PN with
a star in a circle above it, next it has [BF]. On the Barrel (Right side) First two(2) markings are the same
as above trigger. Then it has FAP in a diamond F.LLIPIETTA - Made in Italy. This was a Birthday gift from a
friend in Indiana. Would like to know the age and value of this firearm for curiosity sake. I have shot it a
number of times and it is ONE SWEET GUN. Thanks for all your help on all my postings. P.S.I think your web
site is super. Mike B.
Answer: Mike, glad that you like our site, hope you come
back often. It is good to have friends who like to give guns for presents! The markings you describe are those
found on modern reproduction revolvers that have been made in Italy since about 1960, and sold under a wide
variety of brand names. While not especially valuable, these could be an interesting collecting specialty because
there are lots of variations around at very reasonable prices. Many of the reproduction guns are accurate copies
of the originals and some are even better quality. Values are usually in the $150 to $350 range.
What is the value if this gun. Was it used by the military. Thank you for taking my questions.
Answer: Jimmie, "blued" is not a model. With the information that you have provided it is
impossible to tell you much about your Beretta. Marc
# 11722 -
Winchester Model 190 Scope
Model 190 -
Is the scope mounting base available for the Winchester Model 190? If so, where may they be obtained?
Answer: Carl, check with Brownells, we have a link to their web site on our
links page. Marc
# 12003 -
Vietnam Vet Bringback M1903 Rifle
Walt Pgh Pa
Springfield 1903 -
In 1968 I returned from Vietnam with a Springfield Armory 1903 Mark I (still have the paper work to enter CONUS).
The serial number on the receiver is 1076635. The receiver is cut with a Pedersen Device. The stock is
straight, but the forearm does not have finger inlays, so I guess it's a Remington stock? I cannot find ant date
on the rifle sling. It came with a 16'' bayonet dated 1917. All are in very good condition. What's the value?
Thank you for your comments.
Answer: Walt- Welcome home and thank you for your
service to our country! The same scumbags who undermined you in the media and spat on you when you came home are
at it again. Don't let the SOBs get away with it again! A number of M1903 rifles apparently were used by the
Viet Cong, probably taken from the French or provided by the Chinese to the Viet Minh during the war against the
French. That makes them an interesting historical relic, even if the usually badly abused condition leaves them
less desirable for a general U.S. martial collector. It is hard to put a value on this set without seeing the
condition, but having the papers definitely adds to the value. I would not mind having something like this for my
collection, and would pay about the same price as for one in a bit better condition because of the history. John
# 12002 -
Rover 32 Pistol
Jeff, Erie, PA
Don't Know -
G472 ?? -
G472 1854 Sir, A friend of mine wanted me to see how much a pistol was worth that he has had handed down from
his family. He has no internet access and I told him I would try to find out all I could. The only information
I have is that the pistol is a Rover 32 caliber and has 1854 on one side. Also the number G472 somewhere. Any
information you could give me as to the value or where else I might check on the internet would be appreciated.
Sincerely, Jeff Spare
Answer: Jeff- The only listing I can find for "Rover"
is as a .22 caliber revolver made circa 1870-1900. This is the type usually called a "Suicide Special" and
mentioned in Webster's book with that title. If it is cheaply made and probably nickel plated I suspect it is by
the same maker, which has not been positively identified. I also suspect that it may be for rimfire cartridges
(Check to see if the tip of the firing pin is s pointed pin that hits a center primer, or more like a blade that
will hit the edge of the case. Value is probably minimal- usually $50 plus or minus $40 (depending on condition)
as with most of the suicide specials. John Spangler
# 11723 -
Savage 1895 Threaded For A Silencer?
This firearm is in very good operating condition. Finish is maybe at 80%. The stock is trashed. It is cracked in
three places behind the tang, it has been refinished to the point where the wood no longer meets properly with the
metal, and some of the factory contours have been sanded out of the stock. It had a marbles tang flexible peep
sight which is broken. My question then would be is there any value to the rifle as is? I'm thinking probably not.
If not, would any restoration, such as replacing the tang sight, and manufacturing an exact factory replacement
stock (two piece) decrease any collector value? It is still an excellent shooter and to retire it to a plaque on
the wall seems criminal! Also, it is threaded at the muzzle. I'm assuming this was for a silencer. Is there
something I can thread back on there in lieu of a silencer so it looks a little better? A silencer would be
fun,.....But!!! Are phony silencers available? I've done some research on line for parts, sights, etc. I've had
some luck but am still looking for a deep curve, savage butt plate. Any websites you can think of would be very
Fjestad's book indicates that the Savage 1895 was a lever action firearm that was manufactured by Marlin. Barrels
were marked "Savage Repeating Arms Co. Utica, N.Y. U.S.A. Pat. Feb. 7, 1893," and had the Marlin
proofmark under the forend. Most Model 1895 barrels were octagon but a few round ones were also produced. Models
with round barrels are scarce. Three different model 1895 configurations were marketed including a 22 inch
carbine, a 26 inch rifle and a 30 inch musket. About 6,000 Savage Model 1895s were manufactured between 1895 and
1899, early models had hole in top of bolt while later ones were smooth. Fjestad indicates that originally Savage
1895s were only chambered in .303 Savage although a Savage 1895 Anniversary was produced in 1970 only, to
commemorate Savage´s 75th year. The commotive model was chambered in .308 Winchester. This makes me wonder
if you really have an 1895 or if possibly you have an 1899.
The Model 1899 .250-3000 was manufactured between 1914 and 1921 in takedown configuration only. It was an
improvement of Model 1895 with squared off front end of the breech bolt and cocking indicator as opposed to
viewing hole indicator. The Model 1899 .250-3000 had a pistol grip checkered walnut stock with corrugated steel
butt and a fine cross-checkered trigger that was unique to this model.
In any case, whether you have a Model 1895 or 1899, most of the collector interest was destroyed when the
barrel was threaded. A silencer would illegal and it would not be very effective on a rifle chambered in this
caliber, so I think that it is doubtful that the barrel was threaded for one. To hide the threads I would
recommend a screw-on cover or muzzle break. If you are willing to spend the money, any good machinist should be
able to fabricate one for you.
For the buttstock, I would recommend you check with Gun Parts Corp (the old Numrich Arms people) at the
Gun Parts Corp has just about everything. If that doesn't work, try posting it on our free "Wanted"
page and at the new forum at WWW.ArmsCollectors.com. Marc