I have acquired a 1953 Remington model 121B, it has the hand checkering vise the smooth butt
stock on cob type forestock, was wondering why it isn't listed anywhere and what would the value
be at 90%. Thanks Mark, Ret Navy
Answer: Mark, thanks for
your service. My first .22 was a Remington and I have always liked Remington slide action .22
rifles, I think that they shoot and handle well and that they are well made. The Model 121A
Fieldmaster was manufactured from 1936 to 1941 and then again after WWII from 1945 to 1954,
total production was over 200,000 rifles. The Model 121 was designed to chamber 22 Short, 22
Long and 22 Long Rifle, rimfire ammunition and the tubular magazine, which was mounted
under the barrel, held 14-20 rounds depending on the cartridge length.
The only information that I could find on B grade Remington Model 121 rifles is that they came
with a little better wood and with checkered stock and forend. The blue book does not list values
for B grade Model 121 rifles so value is anyone's guess. I think that if I were to offer a B grade
Model 121 for sale that I would ask 25 to 35 percent more for it than a comparable A grade rifle
would sell for. Marc
# 14151 -
1866 Winchester With Brass Tacks In Stock
Tom, Atlanta, Michigan
Saddle Ring Carbine -
I have this Yellow Boy with brass tacks in the stock, in a cross pattern. I have seen many photos of
Native Americans holding rifles with similar decoration. How would I find a photograph, if one
exists, of an early owner of this carbine, based on the tack design? I could email a photo. Tom
Young at email@example.com
Flayderman’s Guide to Antique American Firearms and Their Values has a discussion on brass
tack decorated guns, but mainly in the context of muzzle loaders. Sadly, many such guns have
been faked by adding tacks. A smart faker would even attempt to copy a pattern visible in a
photo, so he can “prove” who owned the gun. One key detail is that most modern made “brass”
tacks are actually just brass plated over steel. Check with a magnet and if it attracts, you have
fake decorations. Some of the more devious fakers find old tacks and use those, so this tip is not
The good news is that your rifle was made around 1882, and has enough collector value without
the “Indian” association that it is possibly a genuine Indian decorated gun. Based on discussions
about decoration added (usually carved, not tacks) on Trapdoors, I think that decorative patterns
were often imitated by several people, or even whole tribes, so it may not be unique to a single
I have not done any research in Indian photographs, but there are lots of people deeply into
public and private collections of that sort of material. They may be able to steer you in the right
direction, but I cannot help. John Spangler
Remington Arms Union Metallic
10 [I Believe -SC- No Markings] -
12 Gauge -
2 piece shotgun. Patent dates are Feb 3, 1903 and May 16, 1905. Hard to read but `Remington
Works` is engraved on the barrel. Barrel is inserted and turned 1/4 turn to secure. I would like to
know where I could find assembly and disassembly instructions. Would also be nice to know what
it is worth.
Answer: Rocky, the Remington Model 10 was
manufactured from 1907 to 1929. It was a pump-action take-down design with internal hammer,
plain pistol grip stock and a tubular magazine. The Model 10 was only offered in 12 gauge but it
could be ordered with different barrel lengths from 20 to 32 inches.
The United States military purchased a short-barreled version of the Model 10 (the Model 10-A)
for use as trench guns during World War I. The Winchester Model 1897 was the major shotgun
used by the U.S., but Remington made 3500 of the Model 10-A version shotguns for issue to U.S.
troops. The Model 10-A trench gun had a 23 inch barrel, sling swivels, heat shield over the
barrel, and an adapter with bayonet lug for affixing the M1917 bayonet. It was used in limited
numbers by the Marine Corps through the 1930s.
The U.S. purchased Model 10 shotguns with 20-inch barrels for use as riot guns, for guarding
prisoners, and a quantity with 26 to 30-inch barrels for training aerial gunners.
Values in the blue book for normal sporting Model 10 Remington shotguns are modest, they
range from $100 to about $300. The blue book says to add 35% for guns marked "Long Range"
and 10% for shotguns with 32 inch full choke barrels. Values for U.S. marked military shotguns
will be much higher, especially for U.S. marked trench guns.
I was unable to find take - down instructions for your Model 10 but I found an exploded drawing
and an owners manual at the following two URLs:
Hope that this helps, Marc
# 14158 -
La Coruna Mauser Rifle
Spanish 1917 -
Emblem on bolt to faded to make out but says Fabrica De Arms La Coruna 1917 Anything about
this gun or fabrica de arms la coruna
Answer: Carson- Fabrica
de Arms La Coruna was one of the Spanish military arsenals. In my opinion their work is superior
to that of the Spanish Oviedo Arsenal, but neither is even close to the quality of work done by the
German makers whom they copied (under license).
Mausers replaced the Remington Rolling block rifles in the Spanish service about 1890, and
remained their standard rifle (although progressing through several models) before being
replaced by the automatic CETME rifles in the 1950 or 60s. John
# 14223 -
22 S, L , LR -
NONE--NOT PUT ON THEM -
Chrome trigger guard -SC- grooved trigger -SC- Chrome curve back bolt -SC- slots for a scope
and it has an old scope on it......Approximate manufactures date is 1957-63 from the blogs I have
read. I also read the ones with the scope slots were the most desirable. Mine came from and
estate sale and was clean and only has minor scratches on the stock and the barrel is blue and no
rust. Very good condition and well taken care of. It has the original Winchester 5 clip also. What
do you estimate as the value of this gun?
manufactured about 355,000 Model 69 & 69A rifles between 1935 and 1963. Rifles were not
serial numbered so it is difficult to pin down a date of manufacture for any particular rifle, but I
think that your estimate of 1957 to 1963 is pretty close. The 69 and the 69A were both 10 shot,
bolt action repeaters that came with 25 inch barrels. Standard open sights, or a number 97B rear
aperture sight with a number 80A hooded front target sights were offered on both Model 69 and
Model 69A rifles. The big difference between 69 and 69A rifles is that the Model 69 was cocked
by the closing motion of the bolt which had straight (non-swept back) bolt handle. The 69A was
cocked by the opening motion of the bolt and it had a swept back bolt handle.
The blue book lists 69 & 69A values between $85 and $425 depending on condition. Thanks to
the good description of the condition that you provided, I can tell you that your rifle in the upper
portion of that range. You are correct about the grooved receiver models being more desirable,
the book indicates to add 20% for grooved receiver 69A rifles, and 5% if the rifle has a chrome
plated bolt handle and trigger guard. Hope this helps - Marc
# 14149 -
Griffon Cane Guns
My uncle recently passed away and left me a few things. One of the items was a box of 3
separate walking can guns made by a company called Griffon. I believe they were manufactured
in 1982. They have half circle wooden handles and fire .36 cal (.375) round balls, using No.11
percussion caps to ignite a charge of 13 grains FFF black powder. Paperwork says it shoots with
sufficient force to penetrate three 1'' pine boards. They have never been fired and have all the
paper work with them. Anyone know what they would be worth? Do they still make these? I can
find no info on them.
Answer: Brian- They sound like
interesting novelty items, but frankly I know nothing about them. Some places have silly laws
regarding cane guns. (And, would probably enforce those, while ignoring drug dealing illegal
alien criminals carrying around stolen Glocks…)
I would try selling on one of the auction sites. John Spangler
Arthur Price written by hand on the brass butt plate. R.Kern Woonier was stamped (located on the
butt plate.) Half cock trigger and a regular trigger. Who made the gun? What date gun was
made and value. Trying to find history as well.
Sorry, I have no info on any of those names, and cannot help at all on this one. John
# 14145 -
Gecado Blank And Rocket Pistol
Blank And Rocket Pistol -
4 Inch -
What is its value and can I still purchase rockets in 7mm or 9mm?
Answer: Doug- Sorry, I have never heard of one of those and have no idea
what sort of rockets they might use. John Spangler
# 14214 -
Stainless Steel Ithaca 1911A1?
Arch, Blue Springs, MO
Answer: Arch, your
Ithaca was manufactured in 1944. At the time that it was manufactured, the original finish would
have gray / green Parkerization. If your pistol has a shiny stainless steel like finish, it has probably
been nickel or chrome plated.
Values for Ithaca 1911A1 pistols with original finish can go over $2400 depending on condition.
Your pistol does not have the original finish, so value will be in the $300 - $400 range as a
# 14212 -
Austrian Marked Luger
Vance, Fort Lauderdale, FL. USA
Luger Erfute -
Front of grip 3/.R.R.16.70. 8435 on left of barrel & front of frame. 35 on rt side frame/toggle
above trigger/rear of sight/extractor/top toggle. Rt side barrel eagle crest with odd stamp and
2356.60. Frame above trigger eagle crest with odd stamp and 2356.60. 1918 / 20 top of barrel.
Top toggle has other stamps I cannot decipher. Mag in non match #9735 with odd O, dagger?,
eagle with 83 under it. Under barrel is marked made in Austria. ''Holster has a crown stamp with III
under it on back, pull up strap works. How rare is this piece & value.
Answer: Vance, your Luger has some interesting markings, there are some that
I can identify, but there are others that I have never seen on a Luger before.
The "1918 / 20" markings lead me to believe that your Luger is one of a type commonly known
as a "Double Dated" Lugers. The Double Dated Lugers are usually WWI German military issue
pistols that were factory reworked and reissued after WWI to German Army and Police units, as
permitted by the treaty of Versailles. 1918 is the original year of manufacture. The 1920 meant
the Luger could be legitimately issued to the new German army, the Reichswehr, or issued to the
police. It may have been reworked or modified during this time. If the pistol was issued to the
German police it may have been modified with a small metal bar on the left side of the upper
receiver to prevent if from firing when it was partially disassembled.
"3/.R.R.16.70" is a unit marking, it stands for one of the two following definitions, depending on if
first R is written in a script like, or regular font:
Infanterie Regiment 3 Rekrutendepot Kompagnie 16 Waffe Nr. 70
Reserve Infanterie Regiment 3 Kompagnie 16 Waffe Nr. 70
The markings that I can't identify are "Austria" and "2356.60". I am guessing that 2356.60 may
be some sort of police - weapon, or rack number. Austria is an unusual marking to have on a
Luger. It sounds like an import marking for the Luger's country of origin, these were applied in
accordance wit U.S. laws to foreign manufactured firearms when they were imported into the
United States. I have seen allot of Lugers that are marked "Germany" but I have never seen one
that is marked "Austria". The Austrian police typically used pistols designed and made by the
Steyr company. The Austrian Army was absorbed into the German Army after the Anschluss in
1938. The Austrian police continued to used Austrian manufactured weapons, but many were
marked with the Nazi eagle.
For more information, a good place to look would be the Jan Still Luger forum at
http://luger.gunboards.com/. Good luck, Marc
# 14146 -
“Sheriff Type Markings” On Winchester 1873
Greg, Charles Town, WV
This gun has a cartouche near the butt that has inside a sheriff type shield the letters M del E
and a star. Then next to it another cartouche with a shield ( not like a sheriff though) with the
letters MJR and also a star. I purchased the gun from TX. Any idea what these cartouches
Answer: Greg- Sounds like an interesting gun, but I
confess I have no idea what the markings might indicate. They may be from some sort of Texas
law enforcement agency, or perhaps even one from across the border. Of course, they may be
total fakes added to help sell guns to hillbilly tourists.
# 14191 -
I found a gun in my aunts house can you help it has Fegyvergyar Budapest Fommer Pat. STOP
CAL 7.65 m/m (.32) 75130
Answer: Brian, the Frommer 'Stop'
design was introduced in 1912. Pistols were manufactured at the Fegyvergyar factory in Budapest
which was also involved in manufacturing the Roth Steyr for the Imperial Austro-Hungarian Army
at the time. Frommer Stop pistols were sold commercially and they were also adopted by the
Austro-Hungarian Army in 1912 for use by second line elements. Later, the Frommer Stop
became the official service pistol of the independent post-1919 Hungarian army.
Military Frommer Stop pistols are the most desirable type for collectors, they can be identified
because they are stamped with the Hungarian crest, and / or the Austrian crest, with the letters BP
and a two digit date. Commercial pistols usually have the Hungarian commercial proof, which
consists of a crown over the letters BP, all enclosed in a circle.
Frommer Stop production stopped somewhere above serial number 363500, probably in 1929
when Fegyvergyar started manufacture of the new 29M pistol for the Hungarian military.
Frommer Stop pistols remained in military and police service until 1945.
# 14143 -
Remington 700 Info
Gary Yuma, Az.
700 SPRG -
Can you please tell me the year of manufacture? Also what does the SPRG mean? Thanks
ahead of time, Gary
Answer: Gary- Sorry, I cannot help with
the date. Remington used a date code on the barrels of their guns, but I am not bright enough to
figure it out reliably. The SPRG presumably follows the .30-06 on the barrel and indicates .30-
06 Springfield is the caliber. John Spangler
# 14210 -
Blackpowder Repro. Value
198c2 ( C backwards0 double stamped same number on butt PN w/ star above coat of arms
crossed rifles over shield, says Navy Arms INc made in Italy has AD in a box trying to figure out
year of gun which the AD represents and would like to know if it is collectable
Answer: Your revolver is a modern reproduction that was manufactured in Italy
and imported by Navy Arms. "USMR" stands for U.S. Army's Mounted Rifles (U.S.M.R.) or
"Dragoons". Navy Arms was founded about 1960 by Val Forgett in Ridgefield, NJ. They were
among the first to have Italian gunmakers turn out copies of Civil War and other antique firearms.
Navy Arms has a good reputation for the quality and workmanship of the firearms that they market
but there is not allot of collector interest in modern black powder replicas, so resale values are
usually pretty modest. Marc
# 14118 -
Krag Carbine History Quest
Krag Jorgensen -
30-40 Krag Model 1898 Carbine -
I want to authenticate my rifle. Where do I locate an accurate account of who carried this rifle,
where, confirmed kills? If it has all parts from the factory, or if it has had parts replaced. Just a
dossier of its service record.
Answer: Ken- Research over about
25 years in the National Archives by the late Frank Mallory failed to turn up any information about
your carbine. In fact, he was only able to find about 13,800 numbers listed anywhere, out of
about 475,000 Krags made (a success rate of less than 3%, so don’t feel like you are being picked
on, or unlucky.)
We know it was made in 1898 (serial numbers used that year for the Model 1898 rifles and
carbines ran from about 110,000 up to 152,000. After that anything would be pure speculation.
It may have gone to a volunteer unit headed for Cuba or the Philippines, or maybe a National
Guard unit that never went anywhere. It probably remained with a single unit for most of its
service life and was later sold off as surplus, perhaps to a NRA member in the 1920s. Or maybe
some deserting thief stole it when he skipped out of his unit and took it with him, traded it at the
local house of ill-repute for “services” and they swapped it to the local brewery for a keg of beer. I
doubt very much if it was ever used to kill anyone, but would not be surprised if someone used it
as a deer rifle for one or more seasons. As far as verifying it’s configuration as being correct and
original, you really need to study details in the books on the Krag by Frank Mallory, or Bill Brophy,
or maybe others. Or, have a knowledgeable Krag collector take a look at it. (That probably rules
out 95% of the folks who hang around gun shows pretending to know all about everything. Model
1898 Krag carbines are pretty scarce, so there is a good chance that you actually have a rifle cut
to carbine length after it left military service, but an expert can spot that pretty quickly. John
? Pat. Oct. 14,1884 - Jan. 20, 1885 -
50 Ex -
Brass butt plate -SC- an oval plate with an Elk engraved on one side of the stock and an oval
plate engraved ''POT NOSE'' Jess Nichols from Tom Brown What is the actual model number of
this rifle and is there any way I can find out who did the modifications.
Answer: Code- The 1884 and 1885 patent dates and .50 Express caliber
indicate that this could only be the lever action Model 1886 rifle, one of John M. Browning’s
many great and enduring inventions. The serial number indicates it was made about 1907, and
the 26 inch barrel was standard for the Model 1886 rifles. The plate with the elk engraving and
“Pot Nose” Jess Nichols from Tom Brown suggests that it was presented by Mr. Brown to “Pot Nose”
Nichols, probably around 1907-1910. It is possible that the plate was a factory addition, and a
letter from the Cody Firearms Museum (http://www.bbhc.org/firearms/records/) may confirm or
disprove that. Some quick Googling did not turn up any leads on identifying Nichols or Brown.
The presence of the elk seems like it would be related to one of the states where elk are common
game animals, but perhaps the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks fraternal group. My
personal guess is that Mr. Brown was some rich guy hunter and that “Pot Nose” (possibly an
Indian?) was a hunting guide who helped him get one heck of a trophy elk. Of course, everyone
can make up their own story to go with the gun. (and some dealers will, more for profit than for
fun!) John Spangler
# 14188 -
25-5.35 Mm MOD 11 -
Stainless Steel -
Pearl Handle with a Falcon on one side and the word Falcon on the other side , also has made in
Germany I would like to know when this hand gun was made and the value of it, upon the death
of my father, it was found inside of his toolbox, I would also like to know if you can order a clip for
Answer: Deborah, it is hard to say for sure what your
pistol is without actually seeing it. My references include two or three different models of pistol
that were marketed under the Falcon name. I think the closest match to the pistol that you are
asking about is a little .25 automatic pistol of German origin that was sold by the Spesco
Corporation of Atlanta, Georgia, in the 1960s. Similar guns were sold contemporaneously under
several names including Hawes and Pic but they were all manufactured by Gecado.
Sorry to have to tell you that values for this type of pistol are not high, I often see them being
offered for sale at gunshows in the $100 dollar range. A replacement magazine for your pistol
may be difficult to find, I recommend that you check with Gun Parts Corp (the old Numrich Arms
people) at the following URL:
Gun Parts Corp has just about everything. If that doesn't work, try posting on our free "Wanted"
page at the following URL: