Model 1863 -
52 Cal -
HGS, EAW inspector Marks Did this carbine see Military use issued to Whom thanks.
Answer: Don- Since there are inspector marks, odds are pretty good that this
one was delivered under a military contract and issued to some unit.
There is no history on this specific number, but nearby numbers saw use with the 15th and 22nd
New York Volunteer Cavalry, 1st New York Mounted Rifles, the 12th Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, and
the 1st Maryland PHB Cavalry. Close only counts in horse shoes, so although you can speculate
about where it might have been used, it probably was used by SOMEONE. John
# 14778 -
Wnichester Model 20 Serial Not In Our Records
Carolyn, Kinta, OK
Stock length is 6 inches. Total length of the entire gun is 19 7/8 inches. Stamped clearly
''Manufactured by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company Pat applied for.'' Also the serial
number of 20827 is clearly stamped on the bottom of the barrel. I cannot find this gun in your
database to find the year of manufacture. It is plainly stamped 20-410, but when I check that
section it says the serial number is too high. It appears to be authentic so why isn't the number
matching your database? It is a family heirloom but I am researching its value for possible sale.
Answer: Carolyn, our main focus at
FineOldGuns.com (OldGuns.net) is military firearms. We sometimes list sporting shotguns for sale
in our catalogs but we do not have a lot of interest in collecting them and are by no means
experts in this field.
The Standard Catalog of Winchester Firearms indicates that the Winchester Model 20 was a
single shot, boxlock shotgun with exposed hammer. It is said to have been the first Winchester to
have this type of breakdown action. The Model 20 was chambered for the .410, 2-1/2 inch and
came with a 26 inch round full choked barrel (a few guns have been observed with cylinder
choking), plain walnut pistol-grip stock with hard rubber buttplate and the forend had a small lip
on the front end.
Winchester manufactured 24,000 guns between 1919 and 1924. The records in our database
only cover serial numbers 1 - 11253 but that does not mean that your serial number is incorrect.
My guess offered with a full money back guarantee is that your shotgun was manufactured close
to the end of production in 1924. Marc
# 14769 -
Marlin Owners Manual
Tom, Mascoutah, Illinois
Am looking for some kind of ''Owners Manual'' for the above long gun
Answer: Tom - try the Marlin website at: http://www.marlinfirearms.com/ or the
Marlin Collectors Association at: http://www.marlin-collectors.com/forum/index.php. Good luck -
# 14631 -
I.M. Joslyn Over - Under Percussion
Dave, Belleville, WV
I. M. Joslyn -
Over/under Muzzleloader -
14 /41 -
28 Inches -
Batavia This is an over/under side hammer muzzleloader do you have any idea of the
Answer: Dave- Isaac M. Joslyn is listed in Frank Sellers’
American Gunsmiths as working 1849-1882 in Batavia, New York so I am positive he is the maker.
Over-under combination guns with one shotgun barrel and one rifled barrel were quite popular in
western New York and the adjacent northern parts of Pennsylvania during the percussion period.
They are interesting oddities, but unless there are some local collectors for these, I don’t detect
much interest in the broader collecting community. I would guess a value would be in the few to
several hundred dollar range depending on condition and quality. John
# 14629 -
Springfield .45-70 Model
Tom, West Newton, PA, U.S.A.
U.S. Springfield -
Unknown I am trying to find out what Model Number it is. It is a single-shot trap door. It has the
initials: J.H.C. on the barrel. That's all I know.
Based on the serial number, your rifle was made in 1891 or 1892, which should be the date on
the left side of the stock below Samuel W. Porter’s initials. During those two years about 52,000
rod bayonet Model 1888 rifles were made with 32 5/8” barrels, as well as about 3,000 cadet rifles
which used regular triangular bayonets, and had 29 ½ inch barrel.
The JHC on the barrel puzzles me, but your choices are pretty narrow. John
# 14768 -
Allen, Athens, Tn.
32 Special -
19.5 Inches -
none What year was this gun manufactured? Was purchased in Rutland, VT. in 1950, my dad
gave it to me for my 10th birthday. Still use it for deer hunting and is in very good condition
except for Real Tree tape to keep down the reflection.
Answer: Allen, you can find when your Winchester was manufactured by using
our Winchester date of manufacture link. The link is a little over half way down on the
FineOldGuns.com menu bar. My records indicate that the year of manufacture for 1689579 is
I with a circle around it. I just purchased a 12 gauge single shot shotgun. It has no serial numbers
on it. Was wondering what it is worth and if I should have it refinished.
Answer: James - Diamond Arms is a “house brand” used on guns sold by the
Shapleigh Hardware Company of St. Louis, it is one of a huge number of shotguns made in the
late 19th and early 20th centuries and sold through various retail outlets. This type of firearm falls
into the category of "old guns" that no one seems to be interested in as shooters, but collectors
do not want them either. The last Diamond Arms shotgun that we had for sale here at
FindOldGuns.com, sold for $35 and we felt lucky to move of it at all. Please be warned that most
of these are not considered safe to shoot.
Refinishing this shotgun will not hurt it's collectability but in my opinion, it would be a waste of
# 14623 -
Palmetto Armory M1816 Style Bayonet ( Possibly )
Bill, Rome, New York
Palmetto Arsenal -
US M - 816 Bayonet (altered) -
Don't Know -
''-C'' / ''WG'' / ''N'' on socket bayonet blade face -SC- Socket bridge was cut and removed where
mortise exits -SC- Socket numbered ''15'' behind mortise, on top (by etching) -SC- Shadow Xlllll''
on socket top ahead of mortise. I am looking to make the acquaintance of a bayonet collector
who has top credentials in identification of bayonets used by the Confederacy during the
American Civil War. I have a socket bayonet w/ scabbard, which began as a standard US M -
816 type, and was altered to fit an unknown rifle or musket. The style is very much that of other
known Confederate bayonets, and most probably was originally (before alteration) manufactured
by the Palmetto arsenal. I am not currently interested in selling it, as I am a collector of civil
war memorabilia, especially weapons of that war, and am only interested in identifying the piece,
at this time. If you could point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful! Bill Weber
Answer: Bill- This is above my level of
expertise, but some members of the Society of American Bayonet Collectors may be able to help
confirm what it started off life as. Many M1816 bayonets were altered during the Civil War to fit
other arms, especially M1841 Mississippi rifles, both in the Confederacy and in Yankee states, so
it is hard to be sure who modified them, or where, or even why. Good luck with your quest. John
# 14622 -
Mind Reading Test Again
Brian, Phila Penna
Not Sure -
Don't Know -
My Mom passed this gun to me .. She said it was her Fathers .. I was on the internet trying to do
some research .. Thanks for any help in advance. Marking's on the barrel .. on the one side ..
Has E L G and a small star and a letter U .. On the other side it has a PF with a Crown above it.
Any idea date or where it was produced ? Value ? I can send pictures .. Thank You
Answer: Brian- About all I can tell you without photos is
that the gun was made in Belgium, and the ELG is one of the Belgian proof marks. From there it
is all guess work, but it is probably a handgun, and likely a pinfire made circa 1860-1890, with
very modest collector value. Of course that may be totally wrong but if we had photos we could
do better. John Spangler
# 14766 -
Don't Know -
dark barrel I have been looking for years to try to find out what my Vulcan .44 Pump action is
worth or just a little info about it...My father left me this gun. His grandfather gave it to him when
he was a young man...I was told it may have been a police issued firearm...I have been offered
upwards of 20k and my pop was offered about 15k about 12 yrs ago...just wanted to know what the
gun is worth..I know its Rare never could find any info on the net...Vulcan never came back with
any results...but I looked on the back of the gun on the back of the stock and seen the Universal
info from Fl..Any info would be appreciated Thanks
Answer: Timothy, I had never heard of the Vulcan brand so I looked it up in
my bluebook. The Bluebook only has one entry for Vulcan, the Model 440. The Model 440 is
said to be a slide action rifle chambered in .44 Mag. with 18.25 inch barrel, adjustable rear sight,
front ramp sight and 5 shot detachable mag. The Vulcan was made by Universal Firearms
Corporation of Hialeah, Florida, they are best known for their copies of the .30 M1 Carbine.
Universal operated from the late 1950s (it was the successor to Bullseye) until 1983 when they
were taken over by Iver Johnson.
Values for the Vulcan Model 440 in the Blue book top out at around $400. A quick internet
search on the key words "Vulcan 44" reveals several that are being sold at different auctions in
the $500 or less range. I do not know what would motivate a buyer to offer you $20,000 for your
Vulcan rifle, maybe he is a Star Trek fan. If I owned a Vulcan rifle and someone offered me
$20,000 for it, I would run (not walk) to accept the offer before they changed their mind.
# 14763 -
Springfield 840 30-30
Dennis, Marietta, Ga.
In what year was this rifle manufactured?
Answer: Dennis, the
Springfield Model 840 was an economy bolt action rifle. If I remember correctly, the design was
introduced in the 1950s and sold for years under the Stevens and Savage brand names as the
330 and 340. The Springfield 840 was discontinued in the early 80s. That is about all that I can
tell you, I do not have any serial number information on this particular model.
# 14621 -
Winchester Model 1892 Value
Gregg Kalispell Mt
I would like to know the value of this gun. It is described as 20'' barrel with gray patina no
rust/pitting) original Winchester metal crescent butt plate; lever action; saddle ring intact on left
side of firing case; barrel rings intact; full-length tubular magazine, original sights intact; Patent
October 14,1884; overall Excellent condition; Manufacture Date 1913; Thank You Very
Answer: Gregg- I regret we cannot help much with that
one. In that condition it will appeal mainly to shooters, not collectors. However, some people
even like well used examples, and coming from Montana with your state’s rich history of ranching
and cowboys (injuns too!) some “olde west” collectors like the really worn old guns that had frontier
use. My guess is maybe something in the $500-1000 range but that may be high or low, so
better check with people who know that market segment better than I do. John
# 14619 -
Early .30-40 Krag With 22 Inch Barrel
Steve, American Fork, Utah
Springfield Armory -
30 40 -
Yes, but I can't make them out My dad gave me this gun and a friend suggested that I find out if it
is worth anything before I use it. Is this gun worth anything? He hasn't shot it in over 40 years.
Should I have it checked out before I shot it?
There is no documented history on your gun, but nearly all the nearby numbers are listed as rifles,
so I am about 98% sure it started off as a Model 1892 Krag rifle, and surviving, UNMODIFIED
examples of those are rare and valuable. However, they had 30 inch barrels, so we can be almost
100% sure it is not one of those. It has a very, very slim chance that it is a Model 1896 Carbine,
since a few of those were made scattered in the 20,000 range. So, we need to know if there is (or
was) a sling swivel inletted near the buttplate, and if there is a small “C” on the sight, and if the
barrel band has a sling swivel or not, and if there is a metal plate on the left side of the stock
about 3/8” x 2” held on by two wood screws. If the answer is “yes” to most of these questions then
it may be a carbine and have pretty good value. Otherwise we can be certain it is a rifle that has
been cut down for sporting use after being sold off as surplus many decades ago. These have
been very popular hunting arms due to their smooth action. Many of them had the barrels
replaced at some point in their history with barrels around 20-23 inches long, and we would need
to see it, or good photos to tell if it is an original barrel or a replacement. In any case, the cut
down rifles have modest value as shooters or for parts, but a fraction of what an unmolested gun
would bring. It would be a good idea to have competent gunsmith look at it before shooting, but
there is little that can go bad on these from just sitting around, so most likely he will approve it.
Enjoy. John Spangler
# 14759 -
38 Cal -
Who made this gun? And what year was it made?
Answer: Tary, Google is your friend. I have never heard of Alfa handguns so
I tried a Google search. Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_ALFA_%28Revolvers%29)
indicates that "the ALFA Series of Revolvers are a series of Czech-made revolvers designed for
law enforcement, private security agencies, personal security, and hunting needs. The ALFA
Series is part of the three revolver series made by ALFA: Series ALFA, Series ALFA Steel, and
Series HOLEK. The revolvers in the ALFA Series all have a blued finish, and the only to have no
chrome finish is the 12-inch Sports model." Marc
# 14758 -
Is there anything at all that you can tell me about this rifle?
Answer: Edward, the Model 64 was first announced in the March 1, 1933,
Winchester price list. The first deliveries of Model 64 rifles to warehouse stock occurred in
February and May of 1933. The Model 64 was an improvement of the earlier Model 55 rifle,
which used the same action as the 55 but incorporated several design changes including
increased magazine capacity, sharply tapering barrel, pistol grip instead of straight stock, forged
ramp for front sight base on the barrel, front sight cover, and lighter trigger pull.
# 14616 -
Krag Receiver- Born As Rifle Or Carbine?
Ron, Amherst. Ohio, USA
1895 This is a nicely preserved complete bolt and receiver, missing only the side plate and
trigger guard. The receiver is marked 1895 being made early 1896. I would like to know if this was
originally a rifle or carbine. Would I be able to find parts to build this back to original, and what
the value is of this receiver as is. Thank you, Ron
This is an interesting question, but with no easy answer. Documentation survives listing 50 rifles
or carbines within (+/-) 500 numbers of your number. On the low side there are 26 entries, and 24
on the high side. 17 of the entries are for rifles (variously listed as Model 1892, 1892/1896 or
1896) and 33 are for carbines, so this is a number range reflecting one of the periods when
Springfield was transitioning from manufacture of carbines to rifles, with the overlap of serial
number ranges reflecting that guns were NOT assembled in strict serial number sequence.
Interestingly, 13 of the 17 rifle entries are associated with the 4th Ohio Volunteer Infantry during
the Spanish American War era.
Without documentation on your EXACT serial number, we cannot say for sure. My gut feeling is
that this may have been a rifle issued to the Ohio unit (but not to the exact company for which
records survived) and later was stripped after being sold as surplus in Ohio, with the intention of
being used as a sporter. However, it is just as likely that it was originally a carbine, and ended up
sold off to a NRA member in the 1930s in some other state and later traded or sold to someone in
Ohio. You can “restore it” to any configuration you like, but we will never know for sure what it
was when originally made. John Spangler