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# 10705 -
Appriasal Of Colt Walker Copy
Bill, Fremont, In.
Colt - Walker 1847 - 44 - 9'' - Other - 16 -
On top of barrel, Address Sam'l Colt New York City, On right side above wedge
is US 1847. Serial number 16 is noted in four different places. I sent about
8-10 digital photos to G. Martin auctioneers/appraisers in California. They
e-mailed me back and said they thought from looking at the photos that it was
a ''Mariette Brevette'', a period reproduction. From the photos they said the
walnut grips looked oversize, and the serial numbers were the wrong size and
font. I purchased this at an estate auction last month. What I would like to
know, if it is a Brevette period reproduction, who made it and what kind of
money might it be worth? It is in good condition. If you know any way I could
get a second opinion from a knowledgeable person, I would be grateful for any
help you could give me. Bill
Bill- Some people think highly of Greg Martin's operation, and others seem to
think otherwise, as is the case with most auction operations. I do remember
that well known dealers Richard Ellis and Mike Zomber were mentioned in conjunction
with an alleged attempt to defraud a Pennsylvania collector on the purchase
of two Colt Walkers for something over $2 million, so I would be very careful
about who you deal with. [Note- this answer originally
stated that Greg Martin was mentioned along with Ellis and Zomber, but in fact
Greg Martin was not involved in the allegedly fraudulent transaction. Martin
was quoted several times in a story on that case (Maine Antiques Digest http://www.maineantiquedigest.com/articles/mar03/colt0303.htm),
and I did not correctly recall the context of his name being mentioned. Martin
was clearly a source commenting on the guns involved, and not involved with
the transaction. I apologize for not making this distinction clear.]
We do not know enough about the very specialized field of Colt Walker revolvers
to tell a real one from a fake, so we would not be qualified to comment on authenticity
or value. Since you are talking about a gun that (if an authentic Colt) Flayderman
values at over $30,000 in FAIR condition and over $100,000 in Very Good, you
really should be willing to invest a few hundred dollars in a written appraisal
from a qualified expert with an unblemished reputation. I know at a Texas gun
show within the last couple of years they had a "Parade of Walkers" that was
written up in one of the gun periodicals and that may suggest some people to
talk to. If the auction where you purchased the gun was by one of the big gun
places, you may be okay. If it was some local farmers' estate furniture, tractor
and gun auction place you probably either found a sleeper at a real bargain,
or paid through the nose for a fake that fooled the previous owner as well.
My suspicion is that it is a fake, but that is without seeing any photos or
knowing much about them. Hope I am wrong. John Spangler
# 10702 -
Flintlock Pistol Marked GR And Crown
David -Smithville Ga.
58 Or 60 -
8 1/2'' -
On the flintlock side there is a crown above two letters ''GR'' On the opposite side (on the barrel) is a symbol
that resembles a ''S'' in the form of a circle, with 3 circles around it. Each circle is divided in six equal
parts. At a glance it would look like the Japanese rising sun symbol. To the right of this is ''JAPAN'' and
''1411''. The overall length is 15 1/2''. Is this a reproduction and the approximate manufacture date. Thank you
for any assistance you could be.
Answer: David- Your pistol is a reproduction made
sometime since about 1960. They have been made in Japan and Italy, and vary in quality from very nice to pretty
crude. Values are very modest but they are decorative. If they are tuned up a bit they actually can be fired
with accuracy (or lack thereof) about the same as the originals. You do get a very satisfying sequence of sparks
from the frizzen, flashing from the pan, a "whoomp" sound and billows of smoke and eventually a "thunk" as the
lead ball impacts somewhere downrange. (All guns should be checked by a competent gunsmith and you need to ensure
that you are using the correct type and amount of ammunition or it could be deadly dangerous.) John
# 10541 -
MAB Model C
Rilley, Grandview, TN
3 In -
Made in France for W.A.C. I am new with guns and would like to know history about this one and is it of any
Answer: Rilley, it seems to be a common misconception that records are
readily available to document the individual history of most firearms. The reality is that it is very uncommon to
be able to find any useful historical information about a firearm. This kind of information is so scarce that many
collectors are willing to pay a premium for firearms (especially military firearms) that have an interesting
documented history. Factory research of a firearms individual history can cost several hundreds of dollars and the
results are often disappointing.
Although I can not tell you about the individual history of your pistol, I can give you a little background about
the model. You have a French M.A.B. (Manufacture d' Armes de Bayonne) Model C. The Model C was introduced in
1933. In typical French fashion, much of the Model C design was copied from the Browning 1910 and the grip is
unusually deep from front to rear, which gives the pistol a typical French ungainly appearance.
The Model C was originally produced in the anemic French 7.65mm caliber, but later it was available in 9mm Short
(.380). Model C slide markings vary (.380 or 9mm Short) depending upon whether the pistol was intended for export
to the United States or for sale in Europe.
Collector interest and values for most French firearms is low. In my opinion this is due to the well-deserved
French reputation for cowardliness and treachery. Also because many French firearms are unaesthetic, poorly
designed copies of better weapons. The blue book lists MAB Model C values between $100 and about $200 depending
on condition. Marc
# 10538 -
Winchester 63 In Buenos Aires, Argentina
Roberto, Buenos Aires, Argentina
Don't Know -
I don't know much about firearms, just enjoy shooting, and what I got is this excellent rifle from my
grandfather. Is spotless, almost brand new. Is working perfectly and I use every once in a while. I found that
this rifle was probably made in 1933. How much can be worth? Can you tell me a bit more about it?
Answer: Roberto, you have a good rifle, the Winchester Model 63 was an
improved version of the earlier Model 1903. The main improvement to the Model 63 was that it was chambered for
22LR rimfire cartridge instead of the hard to find .22 Winchester Automatic Cartridges like the 1903 was. The
Model 63 was offered only in Winchesters 'sporting rifle' configuration with plain walnut stock and a 20 inch
barrel. A 23 inch barrel was introduced in December 1934 and the shorter 20 inch barrel was discontinued in 1936.
Early Model 63 rifles had a take-down screw locking catch, this was eliminated in December 1933 after a few
thousand guns had been made. Post-1946 receivers were grooved to accept optical sight mounting bases. Winchester
manufactured the Model 63 rifle from 1933 to 1958, total production was about 174,700. Values for Model 63 here in
the USA range from about $200 to over $800 depending on condition. Marc
# 10537 -
Made in Spain -
1913 Automatic pistol -
2 inches -
What is the value of this 1913 pistol?
Answer: Doug, collector interest in most
.25 caliber pistols is low, as is collector interest in many pistols that were manufactured in Spain. In this
case, the combination of two negative factors equals a pistol that I would expect to see for sale at a gunshow in
the in the $75.00 or less range. Some Spanish firearms have a reputation for being made with poor quality steel.
I would advise you to have a gunsmith your pistol for safety if you intend to fire it.
Whitneyville Armory, Patented May 23, 1871 on top of action, 7 shot, Pearl Handles, Fully engraved all over: Lady
w/ breast out holding a bow in left hand and a arrow in the right hand on top of gun, man riding horse at gallop
on left side, hunter sitting down on right side of gun. No trigger guard. Extractor pull out pin to remove
cylinder. Appears larger than .22. With Serial #1 (bottom of grip butt) I haven't seen any other Whitneyville
pistols on the web close to having the extensive engraving of this gun. May have been a special presentation that
went to a dignitary or something. Any thoughts or where can I go to find out more about it?? Thanks,
Answer: Jim- That sounds like a great gun. The Whitneyville Armory revolvers
were made circa 1871-1879 by descendents of old Eli Whitney, the cotton gin and interchangeable parts guy. (This
is the same bunch of Whitneys who pretty much started the machine tool industry, with lathes, milling machines,
etc, and eventually ended up in the jet engine business.) Since your revolver has seven chambers in the cylinder,
it has to be one of the "Size/Model number 1" series. In the early days of cartridge arms there was some degree
of uniformity among makers in adopting three basic rimfire calibers. Number 1 was what we call .22 rimfire now,
starting off as the .22 short size case in 1857 and first used by Smith & Wesson. The .22 short used a 19 grain
bullet and 4 grains of black powder. About 1871 the .22 long was introduced with 5 grains of black powder as a
more powerful cartridge and about 1887 the .22 Long Rifle with five grains of blackpowder and a 40 grain bullet
was introduced by Stevens. The Number 1 1/2 series of guns fires .32 rimfire cartridges and the Number 2 used a
.38 caliber rimfire.
The Whiteny number 1 revolvers had brass frames and were nickel plated. Collectors recognize three variations
based on the cylinder being without flutes (first type) with flutes (2nd and third types) and the length of the
cylinder (longer on the 3rd than the 2nd.). Barrel length was normally 3.25 inches, and grips were offered in
rosewood, hard rubber, ivory or pearl.
Normally, revolvers of this size were not candidates for fine engraving, as there were many larger guns with more
room for artistic displays. However, it is possible that a manufacturer would lavish special treatment upon a gun
intended as a gift to a benefactor, or potential investor. Or a purchaser could embellish one as a gift to a
friend, mistress or spouse.
In classical mythology, Diana is the Goddess of the hunt, and often depicted carrying a bow, accompanied by
hunting dogs, so it is a motif found on many guns, but usually larger sporting arms, not pocket pistols. The other
scenes also sound like they are hunt related, so it may have been a gun intended as a backup weapon for a hunter
(to finish off wounded bunny rabbits?). Maybe it was an engraving sampler from an artist sent to Whitney to show
his work in hopes of landing a job there. Or, if it is actually serial number 1 (as opposed to an assembly or
batch number) it may have received the deluxe treatment to be used as an exhibition piece or a sales sample.
Someone who is an expert on engravers may be able to identify the artist, and if a well known figure, the gun may
have a lot of collector interest and value based on that alone. I believe that some Whitney records have survived
and someone familiar with those archives may be able to research it further and identify the recipient. John
# 10693 -
East India Company Brown Bess
Marc ,Simi Valley, CA
Brown Bess -
this a question about the lock only. it has a 1799 marking. directly below that, there is a heart shape with what
looks like the number '4' protruding from the top of the 4. The heart shape is dived into a quadrant, with an
''E'' and some other undistinguishable marks. The lock was acquired in Afghanistan in the 1960's. Is it English
manufacture? thanks. this a question about the lock only. it has a 1799 marking. directly below that, there is a
heart shape with what looks like the number '4' protruding from the top of the 4. The heart shape is dived into a
quadrant, with an ''E'' and some other undistinguishable marks. The lock was acquired in Afghanistan in the
1960's. Is it English manufacture? thanks.
Answer: Marc- Guns from Afghanistan
may be authentic old pieces, or clever copies for the tourist trade. I suspect this is genuine. The heart shaped
logo with the letters E I C is the mark of the British East India Company. They contracted for arms similar to
the British military arms, but instead of the Royal cipher of the crown over the reigning monarch's initial (GR,
etc) they used the company logo so everyone would be able to tell who the gun belonged to. The British East India
Company (not to be confused with similar companies under Dutch or French flags) was established in 1600 to conduct
trade, especially for spices, in the "east" such as Malaysia and China but eventually concentrating on the Indian
subcontinent. By the end of the 18th century they had evolved from commercial ventures into more of a "nation
building" role to establish a political and cultural climate where their trade would prosper and foreign interests
could be excluded. The Company actually handled much of the colonizing of the British Empire, subduing restless
natives, building towns and what we now would call "infrastructure", and just about everything short of actual
military operations which they left to the Army. However, they often had paramilitary forces of settlers, or
native police forces that needed arms.
The British conquest of India proceeded northward towards China but eventually bogged down in the mountainous
wilds of what is now Afghanistan, as described in Rudyard Kipling's writings. In 1813 the East India Company's
trade monopoly was withdrawn, and eventually the English government ran the empire, not the East India Company,
and the Company was basically defunct about 1884. Eventually the natural yearning for freedom led to Indian
Independence from England in 1948 although it took nearly a century of unrest to achieve. You have an
interesting relic from a very historic period. John Spangler
# 10687 -
Krag Carbine With M1903 Front Sight
Krag Carbine -
I have a 30/40 Krag, military rifle, in the carbine configuration, it has an 03 Springfield front sight, other
than that it is in excellent condition. I have been told that the NRA sold some of these in the period 1920-35.
Any information you can give me will be greatly appreciated.
Answer: Tom- The NRA
sold SOME rifles cut to carbine length so members in the 1920s. However, most of the Krags seen with M1903 type
front sights are simply Krags that has worn out barrels which were replaced by barrels made from M1903 rifles.
This was a very popular job for gunsmiths in the 1930s-1960s, and accounts for the origin of most such rifles. The
gunsmith altered rifles have no collector value, and the NRA modified guns have a small number of collectors who
will pay a premium for them over the gunsmith guns, but neither is any where near as valuable as a real Krag
carbine. Sedgeley and W. Stokes Kirk (both of Philadelphia) advertised such conversions. I think that the books
on Krags by both Frank Mallory and William Brophy have info on these. John
# 10536 -
Scoremaster 511 P Information
Guy, Charleston, SC
Manufactured in July 1940. Was my grandfathers. What might the value of these rifle be on the open
Answer: Guy, Remington manufactured approximately 375,000 Model 511
Scoremaster rifles 1939 from to 1962. The Scoremaster was a repeating version of the earlier Model 510
Targetmaster single shot rifle with a detachable five-round box magazine. A spring-leaf and elevator rear sight
was standard on Model 511 rifles, the 511P was identifiable because it had an aperture rear sight on the rear of
the receiver and also blocks for telescopic sight mounts on the barrel. Values for Model 511P rifles range from
about $50 to $200 depending on condition. Marc
# 10533 -
Walther Model 2
Left slide markings: Selbstlade Pistole Cal 6.35 Walther's Patent.
Right slide markings: Carl Walther WAFFENFABR'K. Zelle St. Blasii. What model of Walther is this and when was it
made? Plus approx. value?
Answer: David, It sounds like you have a Walther Model 2,
I am able to determine this because the Model 2 slide inscription reads 'Selbstlade Pistole Cal 6,35 Walther's
Patent' while it was changed to "'Walther's Patent Cal 6,35' on later pistols. The Model 2 was introduced in 1909
and replaced by the Model 3 in 1913 but references are unclear as to whether Model 2 pistols were manufactured up
until 1913 or only in 1909. The Model 2 design incorporated an all-enveloping slide with ejection slot on the
right. The design also made use of a coaxial recoil spring around the 2.1-inch barrel retained by a muzzle
bushing, and an internal hammer. Original Model 2 finish was blue and grips were hard rubber. Early Model 2
pistols had a pop-up rear sight, on later pistols a regular fixed type replaced the pop up site. Blue book values
for Model 2 pistols ranges from $130 to over $500 depending on condition but it has been my experience that most
6.35 mm (25 caliber) pistols are difficult to sell for more much than $250 because of low demand.
# 10520 -
K. HURST (maybe) under serial # on frame, What appears to be a script lower case i under serial number, N under
crown on rt side of frame &˙toggle, GERMANY on rt front of frame (double strike on 'GER'). Some straw on parts but
definitely a re-blue (very black), Beautifully and deeply engraved Considering the re-blue, the condition is
excellent and the engraving is, beautiful. Could this gun be of any value.
Answer: Richard, I am able to tell you a little about your Luger from the information
that you provided.
The crown over "N" stamping is a proof found on
DWM Lugers manufactured around 1914.
"GERMANY" is found on firearms
that were imported into the United States for commercial sales in accordance with
the McKinley Tariff Act of 1891. This act required the name of the country of
origin to be on all items imported into the United States for commercial sale.
"i" is part of the serial number. The arsenal would have started with
serial number 1 on January 1, of the year the Luger was manufactured (possibly
1914), and continued until they reached number 9999. When they reached 9999, they
would then have added the lower case letter "a" as a suffix, so the
next number would be 1a. Your Luger's "i" suffix places it into the
10th block of numbers for the year that it was manufactured. The year of manufacture
should be stamped over the chamber unless it was removed when the pistol was engraved.
fact that pistol is engraved leads me to believe that "K. HURST" is
possibly the previous owner for whom the Luger was engraved.
In this case
the value of the Luger will depend on the quality of the engraving. Personally
I do not appreciate engraved firearms but there are many people who do. Several
years ago I sold a highly engraved Colt 1911 for $1200. The buyer was happy to
get it that price, it sold fast and there were several other customers who also
wanted it. Based on this experience, I would estimate the value of your Luger
to be in the $1000 to $2000 range depending on the quality of engraving although
the personalization (name) will hurt a little. Marc
# 10683 -
Dueling Pistol Cases
Richard Hollis & Sons -
5 1/4 -
Silver inlay Damascus twist. Says ''Damascus'' on barrel Where can I see the type of box that these would have
been in when they were presented to my great grandfather?
Answer: Phillip- Many of
the large arms auction houses have excellent catalogs available on line, and many of them will include dueling
pistols. The boxes are called a "case" so you should search for "cased dueling pistols" and that should turn up
some. There are two basic styles for the interior of the cases. "English style" which would be appropriate for
your pistols and the interior of the case is divided into sections by vertical dividers, much like a fishing
tackle box, but of course made out of wood, and fitted at various lengths and angles so there is a place for the
pistol(s) powder flask, bullet mould, rammer and wiping rods, cast gullet, percussion caps (or flints) and maybe a
couple of tools. Each maker and each pistol layout was a bit different so there is no single exactly right way
to lay it out. The "French cased" sets had the same sort of goodies, but instead of vertical dividers, they made
the cases so that the items were set down into depressions and the surfaces covered with a fabric. (Sort of like
pressing a marble into a piece of Styrofoam to make a place for it to fit.) Check out Julia's Auctions, Little
John's, Rock Island, or Amoskeag. Most libraries have some books on guns (if the leftist politically correct
crowd has not burned them all by now) and you can probably find some photos of cased dueling pistols in them.
# 10682 -
U.S Marked Colt 1860 Army
John, New Ulm Minnesota USA
''US'' on trigger guard. I have made arrangements to purchase a Colt 1860 percussion pistol that I have been told
is very likely an original ''US'' marked piece. The numbers are mis-matched; 78969 on the frame, 70440 on the
barrel, 13476 with ''US'' on the trigger guard (and an ''H'' inspection mark), non-numbered or notched grip
backstrap. The address on the barrel and the cylinder are barely visible (cylinder has no scene left). The gun is
in fair condition; No finish on the barrel, slight color-case finish on frame, fair bluing on the grip backstrap.
Very little rust or pitting present. The grips are in nice condition, but do have a few dings and small chips.
Does this Colt sound like an authentic piece, and what is the approximate value of this pistol? I have also
heard that ''US'' marked guns sell for more- What is the big deal? Thanks in advance! John
Answer: John- Collectors need to remember that the U.S. government bought guns to fight wars,
not to be kept safely stored away in pristine condition for the benefit of collectors four score or more years in
the future. We collectors are a funny bunch, with various likes and dislikes, and when the herd mentality and
supply and demand are factored in the values of certain guns become quite high, and others remain fairly low.
Colt collectors are a separate species and I do not claim to comprehend what make them so excited about some guns,
or pay so much for them. I guess the first place any collector should start is to learn all they can about the
area they want to collect. That includes investing in some reference books and seeking advice and counsel from
experienced collectors and ethical dealers. Probably the first book any beginning collector needs (note NEEDS!)
is "Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Firearms and their Values." We sell this on our books page for $31.00
postpaid in the U.S. or you can get one at your local bookstore for $34.95 plus tax. He has loads of good advice
on Colts and collecting in general and some pretty good estimates of fair market values. When dealing with "as
they came from the factory" guns you will not find much better information, and that should help you make a buying
Next you need to understand how the Army operated and what they did with their guns over the years. If you
subscribed to periodicals like Man at Arms, Gun Report, or specialist collector groups with their various
journals, you would be likely to learn such information. In this case, there has been an ongoing series of
reports on "mismatched" Colt 1860 Army revolvers, apparently refinished, that at U.S. marked. Dr. Edward Scott
Meadows has been the leading researcher (or perhaps coordinator) of this information in his column in Gun Report
magazine. He now pretty conclusively confirms that those guns are the product of a Springfield Armory rebuilding
program a the end of the Civil War, and that those are the pistols which were issued during the Indian War era
(until replaced by the 1873 Single Actions).
Once you know the theory that such arms were rebuilt from military issue 1860 Army revolvers, the next step would
be to see if you can confirm that the various serial numbers on your gun all fell in the range of guns which had
been used in the Civil War. You can do that on our other site http://ArmsCollectors.com where the Springfield
Research Service database is available. You can check to see if there is any documented history from government
records on all sorts of guns, mainly U.S. military or military used, including percussion Colts. That would
confirm that although none of the serial numbers on your gun are listed, many nearby numbers are, so this s very
likely a legitimate Springfield Armory overhauled Colt 1860 Army. We will leave it to the various collectors to
decide if they rather have a pristine revolver that hid in a warehouse, or one that got beat up during famous
campaigns and battles, and was arsenal overhauled and returned to service for even more use in the field. You are
free to invest in either or neither type, depending on your preference, and your financial ability to acquire
items that honestly have very little practical use, take a lot of care to protect and research, and may or may not
be a good investment. Some people think gun collector are all nuts, and those folks probably spend all their
money buying Beanie Babies, or a new care every year, or consuming vast quantities of alcohol or food, or fancy
houses. What a great country! John Spangler
# 10663 -
Craig, Greenfield, IN
W.R. Weaver CO -
M73B1, Telescope -
TELESCOPE M73B1 PATD-PATS. PEND. W.R. WEAVER CO. EL PASO, TEX. U.S.A. I inherited a rifle scope, a Weaver
M73B1, with rings from my father. The rings (dove-tail type) appear to be of a matte silver color while the scope
is blued. There is no rust that I can see and the optics are very clear. Is there any value to this
Answer: Craig- YES! YES YES! That is the correct scope for the M1903A4
sniper rifle and value is in the several hundred dollar range, regardless of the mounts, and if they are correct
GI rings, add some more $$. John Spangler
# 11274 -
Not a Ruger
Alan Sterling, co. U.S.
2 1/2 inches -
When was this made. Is it a Ruger or what? Thankyou.
Answer: Alan, not a Ruger,
just a ''what''. Ruger does not make handguns like that, and in my opinion it is a good thing. Rohm GmbH of
Sontheim/Brenz produced cheap revolvers, starting pistols, gas pistols and alarm pistols for the U.S. marketplace
during the late 1960s. RG revolvers were sold in the USA prior to the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act and
were imported by a Miami based company whose name I can't recall. Rohm revolvers are usually identifiable by a
round medallion in the grip carrying 'RG' and the model number. I consider most RG revolvers that I have seen
unsafe to shoot and I would never risk personal injury by firing one. RG values fall in the $25.00 range.
# 11248 -
Try Following The Instructions
The left side has a small German eagle with 88 under it, while the right side has two of this little eagles with
88 under them, and a small Nazi eagle of the same small size with a swastika under it instead of an 88. I was
wondering what the small eagles with 88 under their feet stands for, perhaps some regiment or anti aircraft
brigade (seeing they used 88 mm anti aircraft guns.) I'm itching for an answer.
Answer: Scott, if you would have followed instructions and checked our previous answers before
submitting your question, you would have found that eagle over "88" is a German WW-II Heerswaffenamt inspectors
mark that was used at the Spreewerk factory on P-38 pistols. The answer is also available in our WWII GERMAN
CODES AND MARKINGS program. There is a link on the OldGuns.net menu bar. Marc
# 11250 -
E.I.G Age And Value
Lenya, Parker, AZ
7 Inches -
Don't Know -
ON the underside of revolver in front of trigger is a Star in a circle, Coat of arms with what looks like 2
crossed rifles over a upside-down bell, then another star in a circle, and capital letters ''PN''. On the but of
the gun is the marking Italy, E.I.G in a art deco-ish font, and what looks like a capital B inside a capital G. On
the right side of the barrel is a star in a circle above the same coat of arms mentioned before next to that is
another star in a circle above the capital letters ''PN'' and next to that is the roman numerals XXlll. The barrel
is black as is the ball chamber (6 shot) and hammer, the trigger guard and part of grip is what looks like brass,
and the rest of the grip is I think walnut wood. Pretty much anywhere there is metal it is engraved. I would like
to know how old it is, its official name, and an approx. value (should it be insured?)Thank you very much for
your time and trouble.
Answer: Lenya, your revolver is probably less than 20 years
old. There is little or no collectors interest in E.I.G. firearms, values for most of them are lower than $100.
Probably not much need to buy extra insurance but I am sure that your agent will be happy to sell you some
# 10662 -
Smith & Wilkinson Muzzle Loading Rifle
Bill, Crown Point, IN
Smith & Wilkinson -
English Style Muzzleloader -
NONE VISIBLE -
Engraving by Gustave Young Gold Wedding bands, gold plug on breech, like new condition, Smith & Wilkinson Makers
Newburgh NY Imperial Gun CT How can I find out the approximate value of this gun?
Answer: Bill- When I first glanced at this question I thought- "Bubba can't even spell Smith &
WESSON...." But then I read carefully and that sounds like an exceptionally nice gun, made by a good maker, and
Gustave Young is one of the great classic firearm engravers. This is a gun that should be examined by someone who
is a specialist in high grade guns of the mid 19th century, not your neighborhood sporting gun dealer. There are
several highly reputable dealers who will do professional appraisals, and they would be qualified to give you a
good figure. If you are considering selling it, this would be a good item to place with one of the major firearms
auction houses who can properly describe its virtues and place it before a group of people who understand and can
afford pretty, expensive, guns. My guess is that it is in the several thousand dollar range, perhaps up to
about $10,000 but that is purely a guess. John Spangler
# 10657 -
Smith Corona Model 1903A3 Rifle
Matt, Bunnell, Fl.
sc543 w/flaming bomb, on the stock there is a P inside of a circle, on stock by trigger there is the letters FLA
inside of a rectangle, on the bottom of the stock there is 4 markings: the number 5 inside of a triangle, the
number 2 inside of a circle, the number 11 inside of a square, and the number 1 inside of a diamond We inherited
this rifle from our late great uncle. We don't know anything about the gun. We were just wondering if you could
provide us with any information on the rifle. Maybe provide us with some history. thanks
Answer: Matt- Your rifle was made in mid 1943 by the Smith Corona Corporation, previously a
maker of office equipment and typewriters, but with links back to the famous L.C. Smith shotgun makers. Remington
and Smith-Corona were called upon to make Model 1903 bolt action rifles using (at least for Remington) the old
machinery from Rock Island Arsenal. All types of rifles were needed to help provide arms for U.S. and allied
forces, even though the semi-automatic M1 Garand was the official service rifle at the time. Remington delivered
348,085 rifles in M1903 configuration with the rear sight on the barrel before switching to the Model 1903A3 with
the rear sight on the back of the receiver. Remington made 707,629 of those, plus 28,365 telescope sighted
M1903A4 sniper rifles (which were also marked "Model 03-A3" even though they were really 1903A4s). Smith Corona
made 284,580 Model 1903A3 rifles. A very few got issued and used during WW2 by U.S. forces. Many got sent to
allies as "foreign aid" after WW2. A lot just remained in storage as war reserve stocks in the U.S. All these
are collector items but value depends on condition and any special features. Some of the best examples were sold
through the DCM program to NRA members in the 1960s for $10 each (plus $4.50 shipping) in "unclassified" condition
(usually brand new!). They were a good investment, at least those that did not get converted into deer rifles.
# 10649 -
Saarn Musket (German)
Kay Rio Rancho NM
Musket/ Percussion -
Possible .50 Cal -
Don't Know -
Both butt plate and barrel are stamped 1836 On the right side next to the percussion is what appears to be a
script Laarn above it appears to be a British Crown. On the rear left side of the barrel are 2 marks and 666a and
what looks like an R. We are just wondering what it is. Thanks
Answer: Kay- The
script writing is hard to decipher, but is actually Saarn, one of several arsenals which supplied muskets for
Prussia. Prussia was an independent nation state at the time, but later unified with others to form what we now
call Germany about 1870. Your musket is probably a Model 1809 which was a .72 caliber smoothbore flintlock
converted to percussion. There was a similar Model 1839 which was made as a percussion arm. There was also a
Model 1839/1855 which was the Model 1839 but with a rifled .69 caliber barrel. All of these were imported in
large numbers and used during the Civil War. The 1836 is probably the date it was made, so it has to be the Model
1809. The other markings are inspector marks and unit marks. The 666a may be some sort of serial number as the
Germans used this form of numbering (1-9999 then 1a-9999a, 1b-9999b etc) as late as 1945. Value of the imported
muskets tends to be much lower than for U.S. made Civil War arms, even though they played an equally important
role in preserving our Union and crushing the rebellious southern states. John
# 10519 -
Broomhandle 1930 -
5.5 In. -
Right Frame; Waffefabrick Mauser Oberndorf A. Neckar / d.r.p.u.a.p
Left Frame; Mauser banner grips are 12 row , stepped barrel, solid receiver rails I'm considering bidding on this
gun. The seller only will provide a serial no. of 891xxx and states the gun only has serial no. at rear side of
barrel extension-is this correct? All markings are described as clear and very sharp and bluing near perfect.
The bore is described as strong, sharp with a polished crown. Wouldn't this fall in the range of 150,000 guns
ordered for China? I suspect it has been reblued? Would the inside of the grip panels be numbered to the gun like
earlier models? Any help is appreciated.
Answer: Chuck, according to Belford and
Dunlap's book "The Mauser Self-Loading Pistol",
C96 pistols in the 891xxx serial number range should have the following characteristics:
12 row grips.
Stepped barrel, the step was added to just ahead of the chamber in 1930
Enlarged Mauser banner, added in 1930 at 800,000.
"Universal Safety" added in 1930 at 800,000.
Wide front grip frame to equal the rear frame where the stock slot is added
in 1930 at 800,000.
Right frame should read WAFFEFABRICK MAUSER OBERNDORF A.NECKAR / D.R.P.u.A.P.
The D.R.P.u.A.P. (Deutsches Reich Patenten und Anderes Patenten)
was added below the inscription on the right rear frame panel in 1932 starting
at 850,000. Since your serial number is higher than 860,000, the lettering
should be slanted forward.
Serial numbers were moved to the rear of the barrel extension behind the sight
in 1934 at 900,000.
References indicate that the two grooves in each side of the side rails were
eliminated 1934 at 900,000 so the solid receiver rails on
a 891xxx serial number pistol don't seem to be consistent.
This pistol falls into the Chinese contract range. Many pistols that were imported
from China were re-finished and the barrels were
replaced or sleeved. I have seen some examples that were re-numbered so they
would match. I would advise caution.
Hope this helps. Marc
# 10488 -
Savage 1914 Refinished?
Darrell, Vernal, Utah
22 s l lr -
I have been offered this gun. The finish is like new, the people swear it is not a refinish but it looks almost
too good to be this old. Is there a way to tell if it has been refinished? What would the value be? Thank
Answer: Darrell, first some information about the Model. Savage Arms Company of
New York manufactured the Model 1914 (14) slide action rifle from 1914 to 1924.
Total production is not known. This model was a take-down type and could chamber
22 Short, 22 Long and 22 Long Rifle rimfire ammunition interchangeably. Model
14 barrels were octagonal, 24 inches in length, and came with with 6-groove right
hand concentric rifling. The tubular magazine which was located beneath barrel
held 15-20 rounds depending on which type of cartridge was loaded. Stocks were
plain walnut with a pistol grip and sights were spring-leaf and elevator.
a firearm has been properly refinished by a talented gunsmith, in many cases it
is almost impossible to detect. There are several giveaways to look for that can
help you spot a firearm that has been improperly buffed and reblued:
out screw holes.
Light or buffed out markings and/or lettering.
corners that should be sharp.
Surfaces or edges that should be straight
and/or flat that now have ripples or waves in them.
Another test is
to run your finger over the markings. If you can feel that they are slightly raised
or bumpy with an edge to them, this is a good sign.
Values for this model
in the blue book range from $70 to around $250, so even if it is original and
it has not been refinished, it should not be too expensive. Marc
pistol has fja marking and serial number for Remington Rand, but the slide is us&s. Is this common with these
Answer: Robert, mismatched 1911A1 pistols are not uncommon. US military
M1911A1 .45 caliber service pistols were manufactured by several companies including Colt, Singer, Remington Rand,
Union Switch & Signal and Ithaca Gun Company. All of the parts that the various companies manufactured were
interchangeable with each other and many were interchanged. Thanks to the miracle of interchangeable parts, it
does not take long to swap slides from one frame to another. Parts is parts and when these pistols were being
used by the military, no effort was made to keep matching parts together during service or cleaning . I recently
sold a Colt with an Ithaca slide from my collection to raise money for another acquisition. My partner John
recently picked up another Colt / Ithaca mismatch in the original DCM box which he added to his collection. While
it is not uncommon to find a mismatched pistol, values for them are slightly lower than pistols with all of their
original parts. Marc
# 10646 -
Marlin 62 Lever .256 Rifle Serial Number
Kris, Geneva, NY
.256 WinMag -
Signed by Warren Page This Marlin 62 in .256 was issued without a serial number. Some tell me that is why Warren
Page had his name engraved on it. Am I supposed to have this rifle stamped with a serial number, or would the
signature serve to identify it explicitly. I am afraid to ask law enforcement and run the risk of having this
fine rifle confiscated. To be honest, I would not want to alter it at all. It may ruin the collector value of
the piece. Heck, I have even stopped shooting it after I found out who Mr. Page was.
Answer: Kris- The .256 Winchester Magnum cartridge was introduced in 1960, and in 1961 Ruger
introduced the "Hawkeye" single shot pistol using that cartridge. In 1962 Marlin brought out the Model 62 lever
action rifle in .256 Win Mag caliber, and those were basically the only guns made in large numbers for that
caliber. Warren Page was editor of Field and Stream magazine for many years, and author of several gun books.
Manufacturers tend to give stuff to people in influential positions to make them aware of their new products [suck
up to them for good reviews?]. Marlin presented all sorts of guns to prominent or influential people in the
1960s and 70s, as noted in Bill Brophy's massive definitive history of Marlin, but he does not note any to Warren
Page. Prior to 1968 there was no requirement for manufacturers to apply serial numbers to firearms, and there
should not be any legal hassle. However, if the local constabulary insist that every gun needs a serial number,
just explain that this was a custom gun marked by the factory with the recipient's name instead of a serial
number, so the Serial number is W-a-r-r-e-n P-a-g-e. I suspect that a Marlin collector would think this is
something pretty neat, with a famous name and an unusual caliber. John Spangler