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# 5459 -
Stevens Model 44
22 Long Rifle -
About 21 And A Half Inches -
Round barrel then turns octagon at forearm to receiver I have a Stevens model 44 22 rifle in excellent condition
and I think it was reblued. Was the receiver originally case hardened color and also can you tell me the year it
was manufactured.. ser # 15405 Thank You Scan
Answer: Stevens manufactured the
model 44 from 1895 to 1933, the total quantity produced is estimated at 100,000. Standard barrels were part
octagon and part round. Rimfire barrels were 24 inches and centerfire barrels were 26 inches. Sights were Rocky
Mountain front and open sporting rear. Standard finish was a case hardened frame with blued barrel. I was unable
to find any serial number data to give a year of manufacture. My GUESS is that your rifle was manufactured around
U.S. Remington Model 03-A3 located on left side of receiver. Serial # is located on the right side of the
receiver. Scope base has Redfield stamped into it. Left side of stock below safety has FJA (best I could tell
because it is hard to read). Underside of the stock and above the pistol grip there is a ''W'' and a ''P'' with a
circle around it. On the base of the pistol grip there is a ''P'' with a square around it. Also on the
underside of the stock in front of the magazine there is a Triangle with a 1 inside and another with 29 inside.
There are also Circles and possibly other symbols as best as I can tell. The end of the barrel has RA, 9-43 & a
little emblem. The butt of the gun has a little trap door. I recently acquired this gun & would like to know a
little more about it. I was hoping that with the serial # you may be able to help me out. From what I can tell
based on reviewing your web site (By the way a very informative and easy to navigate) this may be a 1903-A4 Sniper
rifle and may be worth quite a bit more than what I paid. Thanks in advance for any information.
Answer: Daryel, glad that you like our site. M1903A4 rifles are easy to identify. The standard
markings on the receiver were shifted to the left and right so that they can be read with the scope mount in
place. If your markings have not been moved then your rifle is regular M1903A3 that someone put scope on.
(Remington did not change the model designation to M1903A4 on the sniper rifle.) Another way to tell a sniper is
by the barrel. Regular barrels were used on sniper rifles, and these will have a groove machined for metal piece
that holds the front sight base on. The grooved area will be parkerized. If someone has removed the front sight,
the area under the sight will be unfinished. Hope yours turns out to be a M1903A4. They are getting scarce, and
the prices reflect this. Marc
# 5552 -
1831 Springfield .50 Caliber Rifle
Bill, Ardmore, OK
1831 Black Powder -
32 In -
Have this gun but am unable to find any information on it. We believe it was used in the Civil War. ''US'', an
eagle, and ''Springfield 1831 are on the side plate. ''US'' is also imprinted on the butt plate. Inside of side
plate has the initials JB in many places. Can someone please give any information on this gun?
Answer: Bill- Springfield was not making any rifles or carbines or muskets in .50 caliber in
1831. In fact, they were mainly making .69 caliber smoothbore Model 1816 muskets with 42 inch barrels. Based on
that, my guess is that you have one of two things. If your caliber information is off, and it is .69 caliber
(about the same a s 12 GA shotgun) then it is probably a 1816 musket that has been shortened. This was commonly
done with surplus muskets after the Civil War right up until about 1900, for sale by surplus dealers and even
Sears Roebuck. These were cheap and useful for farmers as shotguns or with ball for larger game (of protection
from humans.) If the .50 caliber is correct, then I believe you probably have a gun made post 1865 using a lock
salvaged from an older gun. In either case, the collector value is probably not high, but it undoubtedly served
someone well for many years, and perhaps saw action in the Mexican War and/or Civil War. I believe there is a
world class gun museum in Ardmore, OK, so you may just want to drop by there and have fun looking at everything to
see if you can spot something similar, or you could ask the staff there. I am embarrassed to admit that I have
not visited that one yet, so I cannot comment further on it. John Spangler
Model 1901 -
model 1901 on the barrel, also nitro proof. I cannot yet make out the rest of the marks. I'd like any info. you
can find or may know about the above hunting rifle. I believe it was made by W.J.Jeffrey in London using a Steyr
action, but have no definite proof. Was this common & is there a way to be sure one way or the other? Also as you
can see it's quite an obscure calibre, do you know of a source of 6.5x53R ammo ?
Answer: David- This is really out of my area of knowledge, but that is how I learn more, I have
to go look stuff up. John Walter's The Greenhill Dictionary of Guns and Gunmakers is one of the best listings of
relatively modern gunmakers that I know of, better than Der Neue Stoeckel although the latter is a better
reference for really antique makers and has thousands of obscure markings to refer to. Walter lists the W.J.
Jeffrey & Company (using this name from 1891 onward) which was one of the finest English gunmakers. They offered
both custom double rifles and also bolt action magazine rifles, with the latter often based on Mannlicher actions
prior to 1914, with Mauser actions being common after WW1. Therefore I suspect you are correct about the type and
origin of the gun. The ammunition will probably be extremely hard to find but a good place to start would be Old
Western Scrounger on our links page. Another resource would be the International Ammunition Association at
http://CartridgeCollectors.org where you might find someone who knows more about this cartridge by asking on the
forum. It is possible that this is merely a different name for the 6.5x54R Mannlicher cartridge adopted in 1892
by Roumania, and in 1895 by the Netherlands. This is sometimes called the 6.7x53R or the .276 Mannlicher. It may
be advisable to have a gunsmith make a chamber casting to get the exact dimensions before investing too heavily
in ammo, just to be sure it is not some oddball proprietary Jeffrey round. It probably is a very fine gun, and
worth the effort to research further. One last desperate attempt might be to check with the Birmingham Proof
House (I think I got that right, but maybe it is Worshipful Company of London Gunmakers) who are on line and may
have records dating to 1901 which might show details of the ammunition. Good luck. John
# 5547 -
Herters, Inc, Mitchell, SD Revolver
Travis, Wolf Point, MT
Barrel marked ''Herter s Inc Mitchell, South Dakota'', Below the drum is marked HS enclosed in a circle with a 75
behind it. I was told there were only 125 of these guns made. It is in good condition. Can you tell me how I can
get more information on this gun?
Answer: Travis- Everything I have ever seen
about Herters places them in Waseca, Minnesota, at least from their sudden appearance in the late 1950s (but
claiming "since 1893" status as "makers of world's best" just about everything.). The company seemed to disappear
in the late 1970s. My guess is that someone from Mitchell bought the name and may have used it briefly on some
guns, but that is strictly a guess.
However, let me tell you about Mitchell, SD. Except for having one (or maybe two) utterly worthless and
despicable Senators in the Congress, it is a really great Heartland America small town built on agriculture, hard
work and lots of it. Their main claim to fame is the "Corn Palace." This is a large municipal auditorium type
facility in the heart of the town, that gets its name from the annual redecoration of the exterior using corn and
other grains and grasses. Each year the design is different, and it is absolutely amazing what can be done using
the many hues of color available in corn, plus all sorts of other crops. Some of the decorations are geometric,
and others are landscape or wildlife scenes. This is well worth the visit, and right off I-90. As if you needed
further excuses to stop there, they have a gigantic Cabela's store there for every conceivable and many previously
unknown outdoor needs. Loads of world trophy class game animals (stuffed, not roaming) that will delight the
wife and kids, as well as everything else you find in their catalog. You can spend several hours there having fun
and spending money. I bet if you asked someone in their extensive gun department they would know more about the
Herters story. Heck, they may even be the person responsible! John Spangler
# 5443 -
''Marlin Safety'' stamped on top and ''Special Smokeless Steal'' on the side. Wondering when this would have been
produced and how much it might be worth?
Answer: Canada, I hope that you are not
one of those from your country who gets their kicks by bullying little league teams from the USA or by being
disrespectful while the Star Spangled Banner is played. To quote Ted Nugent, "Only thing worse than a Frenchman
is a Frenchman who lives in Canada".
References indicate that Marlin serial numbers from the era of your rifle should not have letters in them,
consequently I am unable to give a date of manufacture from the serial number that you provided. Although I can
not determine your date of manufacture, I can narrow the range of possible manufacture dates by using your barrel
markings. The model 1893 was manufactured from 1893 to 1936. During this production run, two variations of barrel
markings were used. The earliest barrels were marked "For Black Powder". Rifles marked in this manner should
have blued receivers rather than case colored. Later rifles have barrels that are marked "Special Smokeless Steel
Values for Marlin Model 93 rifles here in the U.S.A. range from around $250 to over $3000 depending on condition
and configuration. Some factors that can affect value are:
Add for calibers other than 30-30 or 32 special.
Add for takedown models.
Add for factory special orders or features.
Add for strong, original case colors and /or over 95% condition.
Subtract for later production guns which are marked "Model 93".
4 - Barrel Derringer -
.32 RF -
3 And 1/2 Ins -
Don't Know -
ADDRESS SHARPS & HANKINS, PHILADELPHIA PENN ON TOP OF BARREL C SHARPS PATENT JAN 25 1859 ON RIGHT OF FRAME 1. Can
you advise the date of manufacture of this pistol and anything else that can be learned from the above details?
2. It is in a nice fitted mahogany case with black velvet lining and brass plaque on the lid. Is this likely to
be original to the gun?
Answer: John- Sharps & Hankins made three major models of
their four barrel pistols, and each has several variations based on mechanical details or other minor differences.
The Model 1 was made for .22 caliber ammunition, the Model 2 for .30 caliber rimfire ammunition, and the Model 3
for .32 short rimfire ammunition. All were made circa 1859-1874, About 15,000 of the Model 3 were made, so I
would guess that yours is probably circa 1859-1865, which would make it a "Civil War gun" to most collectors.
Frank Sellers' superb book Sharps Firearms is the definitive study on the subject, and it has an extensive section
on the 4 barrel pistols. He shows a number of them in their original pasteboard (cardboard) boxes, but none in
cases. However, he also goes into detail on the English made Tipping & Lawden pistols which were copies of the
Sharps & Hankins pistols. He shows quite a few of those in cases. Cases seem to be a decidedly more British
affectation than the simple packaging for the American market. Most likely the case, if it is of the period, is
more likely a British made case. Even more likely is a chance that the gun has been recently cased to enhance the
collector appeal (and selling price). John Spangler
# 5453 -
Oliver Winchester Commemorative
Mike Tucson AZ
Oliver Winchester Comm. -
24'' Octagon -
24K Gold Plate, engraved, inlayed medallion in walnut, inlayed Oliver Winchester signature in barrel,24K gold.
HAS BEEN FIRED When was this gun manufactured? How many?
Answer: Mike, I have
never been a fan of these ready-made collectibles. Some commemorative production has reached well over 250,000
and this has lowered demand. Although some commemorates have pretty hefty book values, actually selling them for
book prices is usually almost impossible, even for the few relatively scarce models.
The Oliver Winchester commemorative was introduced in 1980, total production was 19,999. It is unfortunate that
your commemorative has been fired. Even light freckling created by touching the metal surfaces can reduce the
value of a commemorative significantly. A fired gun with obvious wear or without its original packaging can lose
as much as 50% of its value. Many used commemorates get sold as fancy shooters with little, if any, premium being
On the top of the gun, on the ring receiver, in lowercase, are the letters, ''dot'' and under that is ''1944''.
On the left hand side of the gun, there are two eagle symbols on the metal. On several other locations, there
appear to be small symbols, two of which, one under the elevated sights, have ''W8A83'' under it, and the rest
only have ''83'' under it. On the right hand side of the stock, near the butt, are the numbers ''7 and 84'' On
the left hand side, on the metal, are the numbers ''394 94'', with what looks to be a lowercase ''a'' underneath
it, and a little further down it has ''Mod. 98''. I would like to know if you could tell me a little about this
gun. I have checked and checked online, but I haven't found a gun quite described like this one. I have a few
pictures of it also.
Answer: Mike, you have a standard German Army rifle used
during World War II and known as the Karbiner 98k. The Mod 98 was the designation stamped on the left side of the
receiver for these rifles. Yours was made at the Brno factory in Czechoslovakia in 1944. The Germans used codes
for their weapons manufacturers, and the Brno plant was assigned the code dot. The factory turned out at least
620,000 rifles in 1944. When your rifle left the factory the serial number (or the last two digits of it) would
have been matching numbers on the barrel, bolt, stock, and some of the small parts including the rear sight leaf.
There would also have been military firing proofs (Nazi Eagle holding a swastika), and weapons inspector stamps
(an eagle with the number 63 under it for dot). If the ones on your rifle do not match, then parts have been
replaced. All matching Kar 98k's are difficult to find, and priced accordingly.
# 5543 -
Winchester Lee Navy Parts
Jim, Goose Creek, SC
Lee Navy -
I have 2 Winchester Lee Navy rifles that have stocks that someone has cut down. Where can I go to find stocks
for these? Thanks!!
Answer: Jim- A few years ago you would have been in a world
of hurt because Lee Navy parts were impossible to find. Originals still are, but thankfully the good folks at S&S
Firearms (see our links page) now offer a number of critical parts- bolt stops, extractors, upper bands, and even
repro forends. I have not seen these parts, but they usually have excellent quality stuff, so I do not hesitate
to recommend them. They also have repro clips for the Lee Navy, and even parts for the slings and the Mills
cartridge belts. Hope this helps, even though we have just blown our chances of finding any boogered Lee Navy
rifles at a reasonable price to restore. John Spangler
# 5538 -
Dale Stow Ohio
I own a Springfield Trapdoor Model 1878. I have not found any information on a model 1878, I have seen plenty of
models 1884, 1873, 1877, for sale and in pricing guides but have yet to see a model 1878. The model is punched ''
US model 1878'' on the trapdoor close to the hinged end. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
Answer: Dale- Do not believe everything you hear, or even everything you read (except here at
OldGuns.net, of course). You read the markings the same way as everyone else on the trapdoor breechblock and
think it says Model 1878. However that just looks that way, and should be read as Model 1873, which refers to the
basic model in the minds of the Ordnance Department. It was us collectors types who obsessed about things and
decided that we could justify adding several more guns to our collections due to minor variations. Therefore we
came up with the Model 1877 and 1879 designations, while the dumb old Ordnance folks just called them all Model
1873, and used the same marking on the breechblock for all of them. There are a couple of early variations with
different 1873 markings, the common one that looks like 1878, an 1881 for the forager shotgun, a fairly common
1884, and an ultra scarce 1888 for the 100 positive cam rifles. There are several models of sights, 1873, 1877,
1879, and 1884, and those seem to be the driving factor in collector designated models. For an exceptionally
thorough and accurate coverage of all things trapdoor, the best possible source is http://trapdoorcollector.com.
That fine site is run by my friend Al Frasca, author of the two definitive volumes on trapdoors, and the
newsletter revealing further secrets pried from the archives and artifacts. He recently added a great cross
reference or index to help find the details on each model buried in the two books and all the newsletters. Lots of
other neat stuff there too, so I urge everyone with even slight interest in trapdoors to check it out, but plan
on being there a while. John Spangler
# 5437 -
H&A Range Model
Pete, West Bend, WI USA
Hopkins & Allen Arms -
Range Model -
This is a seven shot revolver with an octagon barrel. I would like to know when it was manufactured.
Answer: Pete, Hopkins and Allen manufactured firearms from 1868 to about 1915. Many of the
firearms that they manufactured were "Suicide Special" type spur trigger revolvers but they also produced some
larger model handguns, rifles and shotguns. Most Hopkins and Allen handguns were nickel plated, with blue finish
originally costing $.50 extra. Grips were hard rubber, wood or pearl. Some Hopkins and Allen firearms had
engraving from low to very good quality. The range model was manufactured in .22, .32 and .38 calibers. It had a
solid frame with loading gate on right side and wood target style grips. I was unable to find any date information
on the Range model, you might try posting a question on the forum at ArmsCollectors.com.
# 5450 -
Doug, San Diego, CA
Springfield Armory -
1303 Or 1903? -
Probably 308 Or 30-06 -
30 Inches -
I recently received this rifle as a gift from my father-in-law. It was his dad's. Can you confirm if it is a
model 1903, which I have heard, or a 1303 which it appears to read? What years was the rifle manufactured? What
calibers did it come in?
Answer: Doug, our website, www. M1903. com contains a page
that gives you more information about the markings on the U. S. Model 1903 rifles. If your rifle is a U. S.
Model 1903, this should be stamped on the receiver with the name Springfield Armory. If the serial number you gave
is correct then the rifle was made in 1903. You did not tell us if the rifle is in the correct stock, and if
there is date and manufacture on the barrel. If the rifle was made in 1903 it left the armory with a round bayonet
that slid back into the stock. These rifles were recalled, new barrels and stocks were installed, and the bayonet
removed. If your rifle is one of the very rare ones that did not receive these modifications, then it is quite
valuable ($20,000 plus), if it is one that has been modified then the value is much less.
# 5436 -
Luger With Unit Markings
Sara, Bancroft, WV
German Luger -
3 1/4 -
Don't Know -
On the bottom of the barrel is the numbers 4052, then an italic letter ''a'' and the number 3.82. The pistol grip
is slanted, on the bottom of the grip is the markings 44.R.12.K.3. On the right side of the grip under the wood
handle is the letters ''FS'' on the bottom of the grip. On top of the grip is the letter ''P''. On the left side
of the grip under the wood handle is the letter ''x'', at the top of the grip is the letter ''H'', in the center
is the letter ''w'', and the letter ''Z'' is at the bottom of the grip. There is what appears to be some marking
on the top of the gun that looks like three letters however I can't make out what they are, they could possibly be
''DWM''. Also, it is stamped 1916 and there is the number 52 on every piece of the gun. Also there appears to
be 4 very tiny markings on right side of the gun located right before the barrel starts. Someone told me it was a
9mm P-38, but I don't really know. I was just wondering what all the markings meant and if this was a valuable
gun? I don't really know much about them, I just inherited it and was wondering if I should hang on to it or let
it go cause I've had some friends make offers. Thanks! - Sara
Answer: Sara you have
a WWI vintage German military issue P-08 (Luger) pistol manufactured in 1916 by DWM - Deutsche Waffen u.
Munitionswerke of Berlin-Borsigwalde, Germany. The letters on top of your Luger are DWM, the Deutsche Waffen u.
Munitionswerke logo. The numbers on bottom of your Luger's barrel are the serial number "4052a" and the bore size
in millimeters "3.82". The tiny markings on the right side of the frame are proof and military acceptance
markings. The numbers "52" that are on various parts should all match the last two digits of your serial number
(52). These numbers were stamped on the parts of the pistol while it was being assembled, they are used to verify
that the parts are matching and original to the pistol. The most interesting markings are the ones on the on the
front grip strap, they are WWI German unit markings. Collectors will pay a premium for weapons that have unit
markings because they can be used to trace some of a weapons history. Your Luger's unit markings "44.R.12.K.3"
signify that it was weapon 3 issued to infantry regiment 44 company 12. Value for your Luger can range from $350
to over $1000 depending condition, add $100 to $150 for the unit markings. Let us know if you decide to sell.
# 5536 -
21 And 5/8 Inches -
Stamped on the gun: Address/Poultney & Trimble/Baltimore, USA and Smith's patent/June 23, 1857 Manufactured
by/AM'N M'CH'N WKS/SPRINGFIELD, MASS This gun at the present time is not working. It does need minor repairs, a
couple springs, etc. Could you please tell me how much this gun is worth today?
Answer: Gary- Depending on how rusty and how much needs to be done, the value could range from
very little as a source of parts to fix other guns upward. There is some shooter interest in Smith carbines, and
many replacement parts are available from some of the sources on our links page. If the buttstock is in
fine-excellent condition, I would be interested in it to restore a Smith in my collection, and then sell the
leftovers for a shooter to enjoy. Without seeing it, we really cannot put a dollar amount on it, but a wild guess
is $250-500. John Spangler
Bomb near Underwood 3-43 just behind front sight. Rear sight adj. side ''LR. CO. 7160060''. Big ''M'' small ''wa''
on clip release button. four rivet handguard. What would be the proper bayonet & sheath for this era weapon?
Also what should I look for in an authentic stock & handguard for this era weapon? Thank You!! Jon
Answer: Jon- One of the really neat things that Marc came up with was a search tool to look up
which type of bayonet goes with which type of U.S. military rifle. Check it out on the top of our Edged weapons
catalog page. http://oldguns.net/catedw.htm
Carbines made prior to early 1945 did not have the type of band that allows a bayonet to be installed in the
normal fashion. With those, any bayonet will be fine, and a roll of duct tape (preferably camouflage or OD color)
can be used to attach it. Carbines made very late in WW2 and most that later went through overhaul had the type
of bands with the bayonet lug on the barrel. For those, you should get the M4 bayonet. Prior to the Korean war,
they all had leather handles, but post Korean war examples were made with black plastic grips. A few of the
leather handle bayonets had deteriorated leather grips replaced with new grips made of black rubber, or wood with
crude checkering cut into them, or the black plastic grips, or cast aluminum grips very similar tot he plastic
ones. A really serous collector will, of course, want one of each type. Naturally they will also want one of the
leather handled examples from each of the eight makers who made that type, and four more to cover each of the
makers who used plastic grips. Throw in a few oddballs, like variants made with M3 knife blades marked on the
blade for good measure. You can probably get by with only a dozen carbine bayonets, but seriously addicted folks
will need double that to cover all possible marking and grip combinations. Just to make sure you have not missed
any, you should invest in Gary Cunningham's American Military bayonets of the 20th Century, and/or Michael Cole's
U.S. Military Knives, Bayonets & Machetes Volumes 3 and 4 (or a new edition which combines Cole's books into a
single volume). A membership in the Society of American Bayonet Collectors would help with your group therapy.
Look for a membership application at http://BayonetCollectors.org and then send it to me, since I am their
Secretary and Webmaster. You can meet the more interesting members of the group at the annual meeting in
Baltimore in March. John Spangler
Sealed box ''12 Revolver Ball Cartridges Calibre .45, Frankford Arsenal, 1878'' I'm inquiring as to what this box
of ammo might be worth.
Answer: Jack- Full sealed boxes of that vintage are hard
to find, and sought mainly by guys who just spent a small fortune on a Colt Single Action Army revolver. Unless
they are totally broke, or about to be divorced, they are delighted that a box of ammo to take out shooting with
their new sidearm is relatively cheap. Fearful of divorce, and as a retired military man always living in genteel
poverty, I have learned not to lust after such things myself. I have seen a similar box recently, and if I
remember correctly the price was something in the range of $450 to $650. I was not really paying attention so I
could be wrong, or it could have been a pre-Custer box which would be even more outrageous than later boxes. John
# 5435 -
Timothy Ash North Carolina
No Special Markings This gun was giving to me when I was 12 I am 40 Now and have many guns, but this gun has a
superior feel to it I have seen a couple around but was unable to purchase them where can I find one of these
Answer: Timothy, The Marlin Model 99M1 was a short carbine with the same
tubular magazine and action as the 99 and 99U. The main difference was that the 99M1 had a wooden hand guard and
an 18-inch barrel to make it look more like a US military M1 Carbine. Marlin introduced the 99M1 in hopes that the
resemblance to the US M1 would appeal to the thousands of WW II veterans who had trained with and carried into
combat the larger caliber US M I carbine. The 99M1 was a success and over 160,000 were sold before production was
discontinued in 1978.
Since this model has not been manufactured in over 20 years, you may have a difficult time locating one. Some good
places to look would be local pawn shops, gun shows, the Gun List and Shotgun News. You could also try posting an
add in the OldGuns.net free wanted list. Marc
# 5458 -
Don, Monahans, TX.
336 RC -
35 Remington -
What does the RC in the model ( 336 RC ) stand for?
Answer: Don, the Marlin 336
RC was similar to the Model 336, with a 20 inch barrel and a two thirds length magazine tube. RC stands for
regular carbine. Marc
# 5432 -
Vito, Tulsa OK
AC below the Ser # Hello Experts! This gun was taken during WWII by my Grandfather. I have heard that most of
Walthers records were lost so I'm just wondering if we can get any information about the Serial number or the
other marks. The gun does not have the Walther banner on the slide, but has this Serial number 386484-P.
Near this number is the letters ''AC'' The serial number is on the body as well as the slide. Any
information would be Great. Thanks. Vito.
Answer: Vito, early Walther PP and PPK
serial numbers were in the same series with different blocks being assigned to each model. In 1929 when the
pistols were first introduced serial numbers started at 750000, when numbers reached 1000000, a new series was
initiated. In the new series numbers began at 100000 and a letter suffix was added: "P" to PP serial numbers and
suffix "K" to PPK serial numbers. The serial number that you provided (386484-p) leads me to believe that you have
a PP not a PPK. A way for you to tell which model you have is measure the barrel, PP barrels are 99 millimeters
in length while PPK barrels are 85 millimeters. I do not know of any serial number records that exist to tell us
about your Walther's history, but I can give you some information about the markings.
The Walther trademark and factory identification stamping on the slide of PP pistols was replaced in 1945 by the
code letters assigned to Walther "ac". Military issue pistols will have a military acceptance stamp (eagle over
WaA359) on the left hand side of the frame to the rear of the trigger and on the left side of the slide just
forward of the grip. There should be no military test proof. The commercial test proof (eagle over "N") should be
located on the right hand side of the slide below the ejection port, on the right hand side of the chamber
(barrel), and also on the right hand side of the barrel near the muzzle. Maybe not the expert help that you
anticipated but I hope this helps. Marc
# 5514 -
British Military Flintlock Rifle
Robert, Atlanta GA
British (Tower?) -
Flint Lock -
At Least 50 -
Approx. 25-30'' -
Don't Know -
'George Newnham' is engraved on the left side of the barrel and 'Landport Portsmouth' on the right--both engraved
in italics/cursive lettering just above the frizzen spring. On the right side, behind the lock is the number 1258
and in front of the lock is the remnants of the British crown marking you see on the late 1800 model Tower Arms
muskets. How do I go about identifying an old flintlock rifle I recently received? It has an octagonal barrel
that is rifled. Its lock mechanism, stock, overall size and style are all very similar to the Brown Bess or Tower
Carbines of the 1800s. It also has a rear sight about 2 1/2 inches forward of the Newnham/Portsmouth engravings
(toward the muzzle) which consists of a hard sight, two other flip-up sights and then a third flip-up sight which
has multiple markings up to 600(in measurements of 100). No bands on the barrel. It has no sling provisions and
the ramrod slides in below the barrel. Let me know if you would like me to send a picture
Answer: Robert- This barrel markings are probably those of George Newham of 29 Commercial Road,
Lamport, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England. The earliest reference I can find to this firm is 1866, and they
apparently continued with slight name changes into the 1920s. The barrel markings and the three leaf "Express"
sights are typical of high quality guns of the period 1870-1900. The file-like mattted surface on the top flat of
the barrel shows no dings or bruises although they are plentiful on the other surfaces, so this raises questions
about when and why the matted texture was added. The lock has the oval hole in the double throated or reinforced
hammer, a design feature added in East India Company arms circa 1800, and used through about 1850. The overall
workmanship on the lock is below that expected even on contract arms made in England, and the lock shows
distinctly more wear and abuse than the barrel. The 1258 on the lock is done with stamps that lack serifs, a
distinctly 20th century font. The quality of the workmanship on the stock is very poor, and there appears to be
filling around the edges of the lock inletting. The trigger shape is a style found on English arms after about
1853, and the trigger is placed excessively far forward relative to the trigger guard. Based on the incongruous
mix of parts, I believe this is a gun that was assembled from parts, probably in the region of India, Pakistan or
Afghanistan. It may have been done 100 years ago, or quite recently. These are very decorative, and nice
souvenirs, but would not have a lot of collector value. John Spangler
# 5504 -
Socket Bayonet Found In Milk House
Terry, Acton, MA
I have a bayonet found in the wall of an old milk house. It is approx. 16 inches long, is triangular with the top
wider than the lower portion. The mounting collar has a ''Z'' slot beginning at the bottom and extending to the
right side. Markings are ''US'' on the collar, ''P'' on the collar at the slot end and what appears to be ''DG''
on top of the blade near the mount. Any help identifying this piece would be appreciated
Answer: Terry- Socket bayonets have been in use since shortly after the Pilgrims jumped off the
Mayflower and chased the Indians away. The designs evolved slowly, and with different features in different
countries. Unfortunately, your description provides few clues that are terribly significant. The fact that it is
marked US indicates that it probably was in use no earlier than about 1790, unless it is something left over from
the Revolutionary War that was "surcharged" to show U.S. government property status shortly after the war. Most
bayonets made for U.S. military use in subsequent years were marked US on the blade, sometimes accompanied by
maker or inspector initials. The last of the regulation socket bayonets were made in the early 1890s at the end
of the "trapdoor" era. In the 100 year period 1790-1890 dozens of models and variations were made, and the best
reference is Robert M. Reilly's American Socket Bayonets and Scabbards. Some important points (a little bayonet
humor there) are that most made before 1840 do not have a locking ring that slides around on the socket to lock it
in position. Most were made so that the blade would stick out on the right side of the rifle/musket when in
final position. Thus, the position of the zig zag shaped slot for the bayonet stud which is closest to the point
of the bayonet will indicate the location of the bayonet stud on the barrel. This is usually either on the top of
the barrel (often combined with the front sight) or the bottom of the barrel, and can help date the bayonet. The
shape of the lightning cut, or "fuller" in the blade helps date bayonets. Those made after 1840 usually had a
rounded cut all the way down the "face" flat of the bayonet to within about an inch of the socket, and the two
other faces went all the way to the rear of the blade. Between 1816 and 1840 the face of the blade often had a
very small flute or lightning cut maybe a third or half of the way. Very early examples tended to be hand made
and individually fitted to a single gun, while those from 1816-1840 were somewhat interchangeable, mostly by luck,
while those after 1840 were almost always fully interchangeable. Your best answers might come from checking the
Society of American Bayonet Collectors website, http://BayonetCollectors.org where you can see the proper
terminology and measurement techniques for socket bayonets. Then you would be ready to ask on their forum for
help in identifying your bayonet. My guess (with a full money back guarantee) is that you have a Model 1816
bayonet, but better check it out with them to be sure. John Spangler
# 5495 -
Colt T4 Machine Gun (cannon) .90 Caliber
Phil, VA Beach, VA
.90 Cal -
I would like any pics or information on the T4 cannon. This was an experimental WWII-era machine gun, made by
Colt, chambered for .90 Cal. I have a live cartage, and have always been intrigued by the old .90 Cal guns.
Chinn's only has about a paragraph on the T4, and Colt wasn't much help at all.
Answer: Phil- It looks like .90 caliber would convert to about 23mm, and I an not aware of U.S>
experiments with that caliber. You are beyond my area of even pretended expertise. However, I suspect that if
you asked on the forum on the International Ammunition Association website (http://CartridgeCollectors.org) that
someone there would know. One of the folks on their links page, Anthony Williams, has an excellent book (and
website) you may find interesting: Rapid Fire: The Development of Automatic Cannon, Heavy Machine Guns and their
Ammunition for Armies, Navies and Air Forces. This is superbly researched and illustrated with a good mix of
historical background and technical information that shows the context of the evolving design of military weapons
systems. Unlike Chinn's respected, but now half century old, volumes, this gets into currently used systems, and
blends not just the gun, but the ammunition, fire control system, and the vehicle/ship/aircraft on which the guns
are mounted. Some very smart people have developed some very effective systems, and not only in the U.S. Highly
recommended for anyone interested in military history or weaponry. John Spangler
# 5430 -
Collectible WWI Mauser
Mauser 1913 Erfurt -
I have a 1913 Erfurt Mauser 98a rifle-all matching numbers, including the stock-no import stamp. The stock is
stamped A.E.F. in deep letters-what does this mean?
Answer: John, congratulations
on having a collectible World War I rifle. Finding Kar 98a's with all matching parts is a rare event. As to the
initials, all I can do is guess. How about Allied Expeditionary Force. The initials AEF were used to describe the
military units we sent to France in 1917-1918. But who knows? Sorry that I could not be more helpful.
# 5429 -
Jukar Black Powder Revolver
Don't Know -
flintlock..with Jukar, Spain..Black Powder Only on the octagon barrel I'd like some history and value of this gun
that's been in the family for some time..we 're thinking of selling but don't know much about it ..thanks for your
Answer: Dannie, there is not a lot of history to tell, your revolver is a
recent import black powder replica. Thousands have been imported from Italy and Spain in the last 20 years.
Values for most of the common variations is in the $100 range. Marc
# 5428 -
Kenneth, Goodrich, MI
French (SACM) -
NAZI-Proofed (WaA251) stamped on left side just after the modle # How much is the pistol worth and is the ammo
readily available, would also like to know if a Field Manual is available
Answer: Kenneth, have you seen the add for French military surplus rifles, it reads:
Surplus rifles for sale - great condition - never fired dropped twice.
The 1935A was adopted by the French military in 1935. In June of 1940, during the collaboration of France and
Germany, the SCAM factory was turned over to German supervision. There is not much collectors interest in pistols
manufactured before German supervision, this is probably due to the well deserved dastardly reputation of the
treacherous French. Pistols manufactured under German supervision are more valuable and should be marked with the
German military acceptance stamp (eagle over WaA251) on the left side of the frame just forward of the serial
number and with a German military test proof on the left flat surface of the barrel. Values for Nazi proofed
pistols are in the $150 - $350 range depending on condition.
The 1935A is chambered for a .32 Long cartridge similar to the one developed for the U.S. Pedersen device of
1918. This cartridge was manufactured only in France. Except for occasional lots of surplus ammunition imported
into the U.S., it is difficult to obtain. I do not know of a good source for ammunition or a field manual, you can
try posting a want on the OldGuns.net free wanted page. For the ammunition try the Old Western Scrounger. There
is a link to them on our links page. Marc
1863 Springfield -
Type I -
40 Inches -
Don't Know -
Were reproductions of this gun made? My father has one and is not sure if it is a reproduction or not. He
thinks it is a reproduction, but we can not find any information on the Internet concerning this matter. If there
is a copy reproduction, could you tell me who made it, when it was made, the value, and how many were made?
Thank you for your time.
Answer: Jessi- Without seeing the gun, it is hard to be
sure if you have an original or a reproduction. Various firms have produced reproductions for the general market
for about 20-30 years now, coming from both Japan and Italy. They are usually marked with a maker or dealer name
on the barrel and warnings about use black powder only, serial numbers, made in Japan/Italy, etc. The parts,
especially the wood, appear to be new, and the lock plates are usually highly polished. Originals should look at
least a little bit "old", or they could be an exceptionally well preserved example worth quite a bit to a
collector. Originals would only have a date on the top flat of the barrel just ahead of the "tang" part that
screws into the back of the barrel. The sloping flat on the left at the breech would have a V over P and an eagle
head. Sometimes there will be two or three initials, or the word "STEEL" on the very left vertical flat. There
is generally at least a little bit of roughness or pitting in the breech area around the nipple from the mercury
in the percussion caps. Lockplates were case hardened with a splotchy mix of gray, black, blue and brown colors,
sometimes visible on the outside, but almost always visible inside when the lock is removed. In addition to the
easily distinguished originals and reproductions there is another breed that is less obvious. Ever since about
1950, the North South Skirmish Association (http://www.n-ssa.org) has been holding matches for teams in authentic
uniforms using at first original, and later, reproduction Civil War arms. These are great family fun, and I
encourage everyone who has the opportunity to visit such an event. The Skirmishers have a small groups of folks
who make replacement parts for them, and these may appear to be original to all but experts. The interesting and
educational hobby of "living history" or "reenacting" also involves large numbers of people using Civil War style
arms. In their zeal for authenticity, they often take reproduction arms and "defarb" them to make them look more
authentic, by removing the ugly modern markings and usually restamping them in hidden places. Some of the
reproduction parts are fully interchangeable with the originals, while others differ quite a bit in fit and
quality. If you sent us a photo we may be able to help, but if uncertain, then someone would have to examine it
in person to be sure. If original, you have a responsibility to take care of this little bit of our history,
which helped preserve our country. John Spangler